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Monday, August 25, 2008

Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Severe Eye Injury

Janice,

It is not true that all prunus trees are toxic. Black Cherry and Choke Cherry are toxic, but according to one botany book, "A Guide to Plant Poisoning" an animal will have to consume close to 25% of its body in those species' leaves to be fatally affected. Please do not cut down the trees based on that advice for it is incorrect.

If you want to cut them down for the thorns, that is another issue. However, we have black locusts in our pastures (think of the thorns that are normally depicted around Christ's head at the crucifixion) and we have never had an injury. (Knock on wood). They are rapidly becoming the only trees standing, for my alpacas are "ringing" all of the ash trees and maple trees, stripping and consuming the bark. They aren't stripping the walnut trees either, but they do eat those leaves on occasion.

By the way, I agree with you about the rooster not being guilty. It could have even been a stemmy piece of grass that caused the initial injury.

Laurel

Tim & Laurel Shouvlin
Bluebird Hills Farm
3617 Derr Rd.
Springfield, Ohio 45503
bluebirdhills@voyager.net
www.bluebirdhills.com
937-206-3936

----- Original Message -----
From: houckj@aol.com
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:55 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Severe Eye Injury

<<they found her injured and assumed she ran into something....they
never knew
exactly what. As I recall....the drugs you mentioned sound like what
they used.

It began to look somewhat improved after about 2 weeks, but still nasty to
look at. Now it pretty much just looks scarred and cloudy.

Carolyn Marquette,

So it's open now? My Charlie Brown injured his eye slightly a few years
ago; it didn't look anything like this and that vet had me use the
antibiotic eye ointment. It healed right up and he just had a small
scarred spot on his eye afterwards, you couldn't even tell unless you
were really looking. But Allie's eye is looking very very bad to me.
This vet did say it would likely get worse before it gets better, but it
has gone totally to mush and I can barely get the eye open a tiny little
bit to put the drops in. She is really fighting me now after being
fairly cooperative for the first 5 days. I don't know if she is holding
it closed on purpose or it is just slammed shut on its own. She does
have it closed even when I am not messing with her. I hate not being
able to see her eye and I don't know how much longer I will be able to
get any drops in at all if it stays closed like this; (today makes only
one week of the 6-8 we have to do), but I guess having it closed will
help keep out bacteria and insects and maybe help it heal?? It just
looks like this thick tissue is descending over the eyeball?

In looking over the trees that are left to be cut, I was showing the guy
the 2 wild plums that have to go as well (the extension agent said that
all stone fruit trees in the prunus species are toxic (the wilted
leaves), not just cherry, but plum, peach, apricot, etc) and discovered
they have large "thorns" sticking out all over their branches; really
hard, sharp and nasty. That could have easily done this to her eye, yet
again I say she has lived in this pasture her whole life so i can't see
her just running into something with such force. She is older and
doesn't prance, run, or play around like the others, so I can't see her
getting shoved into something with the kind of force that would have
been necessary to create such a bad eye injury.

We (The Mexican guy) caught the rooster yesterday and looked at his
spurs and toe nails closely. He showed me how his spurs are not sharp
(and informed me of how blades are tied to them to make them dangerous,
ahem), and his toenails not large enough to do the sort of damage either
of my alpacas have rec'd. So no longer sure he is the culprit; tho I
see him going at all the alpacas.....even chasing them on occasion, I
don't see him inflicting the serious damage they both rec'd. Just a
mystery.

Janice in GA

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