Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Stock or Sweet Feed
Hi Janice:
Thanks for the reply.
I think that I will try the no corn diet on "Pavio" my main macho. I have him stalled separate from but next to my other machos so it will be easier to control his diet without affecting the other animals.
And so it goes chasing the dream.
By for now, Wayne
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From: "jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net" <jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 11:29:04 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Stock or Sweet Feed
<<<Just for some prospective, we have twenty animals, including last
years crea, and have fed scratch grain at least once a day for four
years. One incident of choke in that length of time and across twenty
animals seems to me to be quite low.
And so it goes chasing the dream.
By for now, Wayne>>>
I agree that is a good track record for choke :-). Thanks for the
additional info. I am thinking perhaps the sharp edges on the cracked
corn could be the occ problem. From what you have described what I
would do is either the easy way - buy scratch grains, throw them out and
hope the chickens get most of the corn and let the alpacas nibble up the
wheat and oats; or find myself a source of wheat and oats and mix my own
for my alpacas. Personally I would eliminate the corn and the
soybeans.....both are virtually 100% GMO products now, no longer real
food, posing both known and unknown dangers. As previously commented
I have pulled all corn from all my animals several years ago (as well as
from my family's diet) because of the implications of GM organisms in
long term reproductive health. European countries will not even import
our corn because of the GMOs. If I could I would tell you amazing
stories about the total change in my now 3 1/2 yo (adopted as a 3mo old
from VietNam) when I removed all corn syrup and then *all* corn from her
diet. She had severe issues that everyone/all the "experts" wanted to
chalk up to "attachment disorder" because she was adopted. As an
infant the doctors put her thru hell doing all sorts of invasive
procedures to justify their dx/treatment of "acid reflux" (which is the
new "colic").....they could never find anything, even doing endoscopies
on this tiny one, that supported their treatment. I'll have to be
careful here or I'll write a book. Suffice it to say life was hell for
2 1/2 yrs. She screamed all the time, never ever slept more than 1-2
hrs at a stretch, was totally withdrawn, was determined to be autistic,
refused all human touch and interaction, was just the most miserable
little creature you've ever seen. In short, it was a nightmare. Being
the holistically oriented nutritionist that I am I kept trying to make
an association between food intake and behavior. I could never find a
pattern. Until one day it occurred to me that corn syrup was in
absolutely everything she ate, including her "hypoallergenic" formula.
Today a year later, completely dairy (cow, she does fine on goat milk,
butter and cheese) and corn free she is a happy, delightful,
affectionate, bright, laughing, hugging, kissing goofy fun loving
beautiful little girl. The change was rapid and obvious. Everytime
she gets a bit of corn syrup accidently in something I can tell within
24 hrs. Her behavior will be unbearable for the next 3 days (for those
interested in this there is a 24 hr delay so the connection is hard to
spot unless you are really paying attention over the long haul).
Anyway, even before this I had removed corn from my animals' diets. The
change it has made in my dogs esp is dramatic. Purina is one of the
worst dog foods on the market, and what so many breeders feed. Animal
Control here now gives out free dog and cat food to the needy. I was
going to start getting my dog food there as that is one of my biggest
expenses and as I've said no work for the past year plus has made
cutting corners a way of life, even more so than previously. When I
got there and discovered it was Purina I walked away with none. I won't
feed corn to my dogs or cats, not even free, nor to my other animals.
Nutrition is so incredibly important to good health that a good high
quality diet is the most important cost saving investment I can make in
my family, both 2 and 4 leggeds, for the long term.
OK, off my soap box now. Thanks for sharing Wayne. It has inspired me
to put some effort into finding a grain mill around here - which I have
attempted to do in the past with no luck, and start purchasing oats and
wheat for my poultry as well as the alpacas. Maybe even the horses as
well.
Janice in NW GA
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Thanks for the reply.
I think that I will try the no corn diet on "Pavio" my main macho. I have him stalled separate from but next to my other machos so it will be easier to control his diet without affecting the other animals.
And so it goes chasing the dream.
http://jubileeacres
http://wordsmith.
http://bramblewoods
From: "jelizabethfarms1@
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 11:29:04 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Stock or Sweet Feed
<<<Just for some prospective, we have twenty animals, including last
years crea, and have fed scratch grain at least once a day for four
years. One incident of choke in that length of time and across twenty
animals seems to me to be quite low.
And so it goes chasing the dream.
By for now, Wayne>>>
I agree that is a good track record for choke :-). Thanks for the
additional info. I am thinking perhaps the sharp edges on the cracked
corn could be the occ problem. From what you have described what I
would do is either the easy way - buy scratch grains, throw them out and
hope the chickens get most of the corn and let the alpacas nibble up the
wheat and oats; or find myself a source of wheat and oats and mix my own
for my alpacas. Personally I would eliminate the corn and the
soybeans....
food, posing both known and unknown dangers. As previously commented
I have pulled all corn from all my animals several years ago (as well as
from my family's diet) because of the implications of GM organisms in
long term reproductive health. European countries will not even import
our corn because of the GMOs. If I could I would tell you amazing
stories about the total change in my now 3 1/2 yo (adopted as a 3mo old
from VietNam) when I removed all corn syrup and then *all* corn from her
diet. She had severe issues that everyone/all the "experts" wanted to
chalk up to "attachment disorder" because she was adopted. As an
infant the doctors put her thru hell doing all sorts of invasive
procedures to justify their dx/treatment of "acid reflux" (which is the
new "colic")....
on this tiny one, that supported their treatment. I'll have to be
careful here or I'll write a book. Suffice it to say life was hell for
2 1/2 yrs. She screamed all the time, never ever slept more than 1-2
hrs at a stretch, was totally withdrawn, was determined to be autistic,
refused all human touch and interaction, was just the most miserable
little creature you've ever seen. In short, it was a nightmare. Being
the holistically oriented nutritionist that I am I kept trying to make
an association between food intake and behavior. I could never find a
pattern. Until one day it occurred to me that corn syrup was in
absolutely everything she ate, including her "hypoallergenic" formula.
Today a year later, completely dairy (cow, she does fine on goat milk,
butter and cheese) and corn free she is a happy, delightful,
affectionate, bright, laughing, hugging, kissing goofy fun loving
beautiful little girl. The change was rapid and obvious. Everytime
she gets a bit of corn syrup accidently in something I can tell within
24 hrs. Her behavior will be unbearable for the next 3 days (for those
interested in this there is a 24 hr delay so the connection is hard to
spot unless you are really paying attention over the long haul).
Anyway, even before this I had removed corn from my animals' diets. The
change it has made in my dogs esp is dramatic. Purina is one of the
worst dog foods on the market, and what so many breeders feed. Animal
Control here now gives out free dog and cat food to the needy. I was
going to start getting my dog food there as that is one of my biggest
expenses and as I've said no work for the past year plus has made
cutting corners a way of life, even more so than previously. When I
got there and discovered it was Purina I walked away with none. I won't
feed corn to my dogs or cats, not even free, nor to my other animals.
Nutrition is so incredibly important to good health that a good high
quality diet is the most important cost saving investment I can make in
my family, both 2 and 4 leggeds, for the long term.
OK, off my soap box now. Thanks for sharing Wayne. It has inspired me
to put some effort into finding a grain mill around here - which I have
attempted to do in the past with no luck, and start purchasing oats and
wheat for my poultry as well as the alpacas. Maybe even the horses as
well.
Janice in NW GA
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