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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: fencing/gates

 

Yeah, i think I mentioned using pavers. My plan was to either put concrete or pavers down under gates, extending a foot or two out, on either side of the gate itself. Even if it were not very deep (pavers are only 2" or so thick), the relatively large paved area would be a deterrent in itself. 


Heather


On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Bluebird Hills Farm wrote:

Janice,
You could avoid mixing concrete by just using those preformed pavers.

Laurel

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: fencing/gates

 

Janice,
You could avoid mixing concrete by just using those preformed pavers.

Laurel

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> <<<We interlaced the wire about 2 feet up all along the fence and just
> ran it about 1" underground under the outside fences. Really fast and
> easy. We had about 10-12 acres of perimeter fence.
> Robin>>>
>
>
> I don't really understand this Robin. You buried invisible fencing wire
> *and* ran this same wire 2 ft up all along the fence for 10-12 acres?!
> That's a *huge* job! My limited understanding of invisible fencing is
> that the wire is buried at the line you don't want them to cross, then
> whenever they cross it they get a shock? I have looked briefly at the
> systems but the price tag always caused me to lose interest. Way out of
> my budget.
>
> I like the idea of the 4x4 posts, but that would be a lot of digging for
> me in order to get them deep enough in the ground to not interfere with
> the gate opening and closing. Ugh. Plus I have several low places
> along the back side of the fence they could easily crawl under once they
> discover them. Right now they are focusing on gates. I am afraid I
> would end up having to bury 4x4s along the entire fence line - very
> pricey.
>
> I thought about burying barb wire under the gate and fence. Don't
> really like that idea because in the process of burying I will have to
> disturb the dirt making it all the more enticing to dig and also I am
> not crazy about the thought of bloody paws. Plus it will rust
> underground pretty quickly.
>
> Pouring concrete seemed the easiest and cheapest. Heather I thought
> that was something you had already done, didn't realize it was one of
> those "planning to do" projects lol. But still seems like a good
> solution to me. I am just trying to picture how to do it....if I make a
> form then the concrete will just be right there under the gate and they
> can still dig out under it. It needs to run a bit out from the gate to
> hopefully cause them to lose interest; but how to keep it somewhat in
> check so as not to run too thin and too far. I suppose it is something
> I am just going to have to experiment with. I am picturing making a
> thick sludge and pouring it slowly in the area, maybe I can make a dam
> out of mud or dirt out a bit from the gate to contain the concrete.
>
> Thanks! Janice
>


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RE: [AlpacaTalk] RE: fencing/gates

 

Hi…I have not tried this idea yet, but shortly will do so.

 

We were told by someone who has LGD’s that it really helped to secure the gate areas if you dug under the gate about 8 inches wide and a foot deep and sunk in concrete blocks, the kind that are approximately 8 inches wide, 8 inches deep and 14 inches long….the standard size ….laid on sand or gravel just to be level with the ground.  That stops coyotes digging in or dogs digging out.  At one gate, these folks laid 3 widths of block as there had been a tendency for the dogs to try further back from the gate.  Once the triple width of block was inserted, the dogs quit trying to dig at all.

 

Allison

Allison E. Moss-Fritch

350 Cloquallum Rd.

Elma, WA 98541-9440

Phone 360 861-8485

 

 

 

From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of houckj@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:00 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] RE: fencing/gates

 

 

<<<We interlaced the wire about 2 feet up all along the fence and just
ran it about 1" underground under the outside fences. Really fast and
easy. We had about 10-12 acres of perimeter fence.
Robin>>>

I don't really understand this Robin. You buried invisible fencing wire
*and* ran this same wire 2 ft up all along the fence for 10-12 acres?!
That's a *huge* job! My limited understanding of invisible fencing is
that the wire is buried at the line you don't want them to cross, then
whenever they cross it they get a shock? I have looked briefly at the
systems but the price tag always caused me to lose interest. Way out of
my budget.

I like the idea of the 4x4 posts, but that would be a lot of digging for
me in order to get them deep enough in the ground to not interfere with
the gate opening and closing. Ugh. Plus I have several low places
along the back side of the fence they could easily crawl under once they
discover them. Right now they are focusing on gates. I am afraid I
would end up having to bury 4x4s along the entire fence line - very pricey.

I thought about burying barb wire under the gate and fence. Don't
really like that idea because in the process of burying I will have to
disturb the dirt making it all the more enticing to dig and also I am
not crazy about the thought of bloody paws. Plus it will rust
underground pretty quickly.

Pouring concrete seemed the easiest and cheapest. Heather I thought
that was something you had already done, didn't realize it was one of
those "planning to do" projects lol. But still seems like a good
solution to me. I am just trying to picture how to do it....if I make a
form then the concrete will just be right there under the gate and they
can still dig out under it. It needs to run a bit out from the gate to
hopefully cause them to lose interest; but how to keep it somewhat in
check so as not to run too thin and too far. I suppose it is something
I am just going to have to experiment with. I am picturing making a
thick sludge and pouring it slowly in the area, maybe I can make a dam
out of mud or dirt out a bit from the gate to contain the concrete.

Thanks! Janice

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: fencing/gates

 

No we did not bury any of it except under gates.  We just wove(sp) it in the fence so it would stay put about 2 feet off the ground.  I did the entire property in about 3 hours.   I guess it was a couple hundred dollars but compared to the labor and supplies of everything else I thought it was worth it.  The collars are the big expense.  You can buy the main control from the company  and the bulk wire at HomeDepot or Lowes's.  Less expensive that from the PetSafe company.  You might be able to find less expensive on ebay or something.  I was in a hurry and did not have time to really shop around.  My husband was ready to shoot them if they got out again.
Robin

Richard and Robin Vasquez
R & R Ranch LLC
325B Denio Avenue
Gilroy,CA 95020
Phone: 408-842-5233/ Cell 408-710-0676/710-7911
 
       A Ranch of Distinction
www.LoveThemAlpacas.com
                          LTA
 


--- On Tue, 11/3/09, houckj@aol.com <houckj@aol.com> wrote:

From: houckj@aol.com <houckj@aol.com>
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] RE: fencing/gates
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:59 AM

 
<<<We interlaced the wire about 2 feet up all along the fence and just
ran it about 1" underground under the outside fences. Really fast and
easy. We had about 10-12 acres of perimeter fence.
Robin>>>

I don't really understand this Robin. You buried invisible fencing wire
*and* ran this same wire 2 ft up all along the fence for 10-12 acres?!
That's a *huge* job! My limited understanding of invisible fencing is
that the wire is buried at the line you don't want them to cross, then
whenever they cross it they get a shock? I have looked briefly at the
systems but the price tag always caused me to lose interest. Way out of
my budget.

I like the idea of the 4x4 posts, but that would be a lot of digging for
me in order to get them deep enough in the ground to not interfere with
the gate opening and closing. Ugh. Plus I have several low places
along the back side of the fence they could easily crawl under once they
discover them. Right now they are focusing on gates. I am afraid I
would end up having to bury 4x4s along the entire fence line - very pricey.

I thought about burying barb wire under the gate and fence. Don't
really like that idea because in the process of burying I will have to
disturb the dirt making it all the more enticing to dig and also I am
not crazy about the thought of bloody paws. Plus it will rust
underground pretty quickly.

Pouring concrete seemed the easiest and cheapest. Heather I thought
that was something you had already done, didn't realize it was one of
those "planning to do" projects lol. But still seems like a good
solution to me. I am just trying to picture how to do it....if I make a
form then the concrete will just be right there under the gate and they
can still dig out under it. It needs to run a bit out from the gate to
hopefully cause them to lose interest; but how to keep it somewhat in
check so as not to run too thin and too far. I suppose it is something
I am just going to have to experiment with. I am picturing making a
thick sludge and pouring it slowly in the area, maybe I can make a dam
out of mud or dirt out a bit from the gate to contain the concrete.

Thanks! Janice

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[AlpacaTalk] RE: fencing/gates

 

<<<We interlaced the wire about 2 feet up all along the fence and just
ran it about 1" underground under the outside fences. Really fast and
easy. We had about 10-12 acres of perimeter fence.
Robin>>>

I don't really understand this Robin. You buried invisible fencing wire
*and* ran this same wire 2 ft up all along the fence for 10-12 acres?!
That's a *huge* job! My limited understanding of invisible fencing is
that the wire is buried at the line you don't want them to cross, then
whenever they cross it they get a shock? I have looked briefly at the
systems but the price tag always caused me to lose interest. Way out of
my budget.

I like the idea of the 4x4 posts, but that would be a lot of digging for
me in order to get them deep enough in the ground to not interfere with
the gate opening and closing. Ugh. Plus I have several low places
along the back side of the fence they could easily crawl under once they
discover them. Right now they are focusing on gates. I am afraid I
would end up having to bury 4x4s along the entire fence line - very pricey.

I thought about burying barb wire under the gate and fence. Don't
really like that idea because in the process of burying I will have to
disturb the dirt making it all the more enticing to dig and also I am
not crazy about the thought of bloody paws. Plus it will rust
underground pretty quickly.

Pouring concrete seemed the easiest and cheapest. Heather I thought
that was something you had already done, didn't realize it was one of
those "planning to do" projects lol. But still seems like a good
solution to me. I am just trying to picture how to do it....if I make a
form then the concrete will just be right there under the gate and they
can still dig out under it. It needs to run a bit out from the gate to
hopefully cause them to lose interest; but how to keep it somewhat in
check so as not to run too thin and too far. I suppose it is something
I am just going to have to experiment with. I am picturing making a
thick sludge and pouring it slowly in the area, maybe I can make a dam
out of mud or dirt out a bit from the gate to contain the concrete.

Thanks! Janice

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Re: [AlpacaTalk] fencing/gates

 

We have Maremma LGD and they are pretty heavy coated.  We should have puppies in about 2 months is anyone needs great LGD let me know. 
Robin 

Richard and Robin Vasquez
R & R Ranch LLC
325B Denio Avenue
Gilroy,CA 95020
Phone: 408-842-5233/ Cell 408-710-0676/710-7911
 
       A Ranch of Distinction
www.LoveThemAlpacas.com
                          LTA
 


--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] fencing/gates
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:54 PM

 
Also, great idea. I'm glad to hear they actually work! Do you have heavy coated dogs?

Heather


On Nov 2, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Richard & Robin Vasquez wrote:


I don't know how much area you need to keep them in but we used invisible fence and got the strong dog collars.   After two encounters with the shock of the fence we have had no more attempt at escaping.  They don't even wear the collars anymore but don't go outside the boundary.  Worked like a charm.   We interlaced the wire about 2 feet up all along the fence and just ran it about 1" underground under the outside fences.   Really fast and easy.  We had about 10-12 acres of perimeter fence.
Robin

Richard and Robin Vasquez 
R & R Ranch LLC
325B Denio Avenue 
Gilroy,CA 95020
Phone: 408-842-5233/ Cell 408-710-0676/ 710-7911
 
       A Ranch of Distinction
www.LoveThemAlpacas.com
                          LTA

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