Re: [Alpacasite] Dog Attack Post

Sue, your problems with alpacasite are solved as you just posted to it!

Steve H.

At 04:19 PM 12/10/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Tawny,
>
>I can't post to Alpacasite, right now, due to a Yahoo glitch that I haven't
>had time to fix. But I wanted to thank you for this post and the warning.
>I'm on my way out to our paddocks now to remove a piece of fencing we put in
>front of a doggie door to prevent one of our yearlings from getting back to
>his mother (and the rest of the girls). He had gone through the doggie door
>when we put him in the next paddock to live with other boys, so we blocked
>it off. We didn't like blocking it, because that meant our dogs could not
>get in the third paddock where we have two geldings and our beautiful
>yearling future herdsire. And that has bothered me, a lot. I'm going out
>now to remove the barrier. I'd rather deal with having to shoo Satori back
>where he belongs than to take a chance on anything getting in there and my
>dogs not being able to reach them. Thank you! I'm so glad your client was
>able to turn to you for help, and I'm glad their remaining animals are with
>you. I'm so sorry for them, for the loss of precious animals in such a
>horrific way. I wish there was something I could do to help them. My God,
>what a nightmare...
>
>We've been in Oklahoma since mid-August, living on Ed's brother's farm until
>we are back on our feet and can buy our own property. They are very kind to
>take us in, lock, stock and critters. We like it here, although the thought
>of tornados scares me half to death. But people are so warm and welcoming,
>it's hard not to appreciate Oklahoma. And, it's very pretty in Central
>Oklahoma. I thought I would long for my mountains, but we have rolling
>hills and lots of trees, so it has a beauty of its own that is very special.
>
>We haven't been in touch for a while. How are you, Tawny? How is your
>family, and how are your animals? I think of you often, with great
>affection. I hope all is well with you and that you have a wonderful
>holiday season.
>
>Warm regards,
>Sue
>
>
>Ed and Sue Downs
>Kindred Spirits Ranch
>P.O. Box 591
>Cushing, Oklahoma 74023-0591
>Home: 918-225-2706
>Cell-Sue: 918-873-0283
>info@kindredspiritsranch.com
>www.kindredspiritsranch.com
>www.alpacanation.com/kindredspirits.asp
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On
>Behalf Of Tawny Bott
>Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:40 AM
>To: Yahoogroups Alpacasite
>Subject: [Alpacasite] Dog attack!
>
>Hi sitters,
>
>I have some sad news to report, and also a reminder how determined and
>devastating domestic dogs, that are running in a pack, can be.
>
>Last week some dear friends and clients of mine, just had the terrible
>misfortune of having a pitbull attack on their alpacas and llamas.
>
>The first night all 4 male alpacas, 1 yearling llama and their 2 pygmy goats
>were killed. These were kept in two different fields. They were both at
>work, during the attack, but got back just in time to witness the aftermath,
>as the dogs had stayed to eat on the goats. My friend was able to shoot one
>of the dogs, a lab/shepherd mix, but the pitbull that was with it, got away.
>
>4 days later, this pitbull returned with another pitbull (perhaps also at
>the first attack, although they didn't see it) and they killed the only
>pregnant female alpaca they owned, by cornering her in the barn.
>Well, she was damaged so badly, she had to be put down. Her almost 6 month
>old cria also got bit on one of her back legs, but they were able to scare
>the dogs away before any more were attacked or killed. These are juvenile
>dogs, that have not been in the area long. To say they are devastated is and
>understatement, as they tried to do everything right and fenced for the
>predators in the area, mostly coyotes.
>
>I now have the only three animals they have left, here for safe keeping,
>the cria and two llamas, until something can be done.
>They had 4"x4" woven fencing, and those dogs actually wiggle though that
>small hole. If they hadn't seen it themselves, they never would have
>believed that that was how they got in and out.
>
>They think they finally know who owns the dogs, a neighbor, but the wheels
>of justice turn slowly, and they have to wait till the first officer that
>took the first report comes off of vacation before anything can be done. It
>sounds really strange to me, but that was what they were told.
>
>My friends have been financially struggling for a while as they suddenly
>became the guardians of their three small grandkids, and then one was out of
>work for over 4 months. Of course with all that, they just didn't have the
>money to renew the insurance on their alpacas this year, when the finances
>went south. So I suspect the only way they will get anything back is if they
>sue the dogs owners, and then who knows if they will ever be able to
>collect. The irony is he had just gotten a new job two days before the
>attack or he would have been home. Not that that might have helped as my
>understanding is pitbulls attack in silence.
>This is second alpaca attack I know about personally and both people that
>experienced it, said they never heard a thing till they went outside. Even
>their inside dogs didn't bark.
>
>So of anyone knows of any experienced LGD's that are available, any breed,
>please let me know. They still want to continue in the alpaca business, but
>it is going to be tough, maybe even a couple of years before they get
>financially able again. They want to really reinforce their fencing and you
>know the price of that will not be cheap. Plus they won't bring their
>animals back until they can find at least couple of LGD's to help keep them
>safe.
>
>The cria that was bitten is thankfully doing well, though this is the first
>day she is walking without a pronounce limp. And she is stuck to her llama
>companions like glue, even though she is now living with several alpaca moms
>and crias. It's very sad really, to see those three startle at everything.
>
>So please take this to heart. Even those living in the most urban of areas
>need to put up defenses against domestic dogs. Unlike wild predators, they
>kill for sport, not to eat, and if they get inside your fence, will
>slaughter and chase until there isn't anything left to chase.
>
>Hopefully posting this will help someone else from going through this
>horror.
>Tawny Bott
>Abra-Cadabra Alpacas
>303-621-9656
>http://www.abra-cadabraalpacas.com
>http://www.alpacanation.com/abra-cadabraalpacas.asp
><http://www.alpacanation.com/farmsandbreeders/03_viewfarm.asp?name=10304>
>Kiowa, CO.
>Home of Bay Black, Multi-Blue ribbon winner, SRR's Mikado Rose, Mutli-Blue
>Ribbon and Reserve Color Champion, Royal Peruvian Montaro, Blue Ribbon and
>Reserve Color Champion, Ala Kazam and introducing Blue Ribbon Winner, Full
>Peruvian, Lt. Rose Grey, Bandit of Grace
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Help
>Sudanese refugees rebuild their lives through GlobalGiving.
>http://us.click.yahoo.com/V42rFC/EbOLAA/cosFAA/jO1qlB/TM
>--------------------------------------------------------------------~->
>
>Opinions and postings on this list are the sole responsibility of the person
>posting the message. The accuracy and content of each message in no way
>reflect the opinions of the administrator or Yahoo.
>
>
>
>List administrator - Rick Horn - All American Alpacas alpacas@alpacaweb.com
>http://aaalpacas.com
>
>
>
>TO CHANGE OPTIONS visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alpacasite/join
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Opinions and postings on this list are the sole responsibility of
>the person posting the message. The accuracy and content of each
>message in no way reflect the opinions of the administrator or Yahoo.
>
>
>
>List administrator - Rick Horn - All American Alpacas alpacas@alpacaweb.com
>http://aaalpacas.com
>
>
>
>TO CHANGE OPTIONS visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alpacasite/join
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Steve . . . .

TimberLake Farms, Inc.
Tom Cameron, D.V.M. & Steve Hull, Ph.D.
Edmond, Oklahoma

A Full Service Alpaca Farm Including Seminars And Consulting

www.timberlakefarms.net

e-mails: mailto:steve@timberlakefarms.net
mailto:tom@timberlakefarms.net

Farm Telephone: 405 341-8444
Farm Cell Telephone: 405 550-3023
Farm Fax: 405 330-8444

note: opinions made here are not and cannot be construed to be
specific veterinary advice, diagnosis or treatments. Both Tom and
Steve strongly suggest always checking with your own veterinarian.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~-->
Put more honey in your pocket. (money matters made easy).
http://us.click.yahoo.com/F9LvrA/dlQLAA/cosFAA/jO1qlB/TM
--------------------------------------------------------------------~->

Opinions and postings on this list are the sole responsibility of the person posting the message. The accuracy and content of each message in no way reflect the opinions of the administrator or Yahoo.

List administrator - Rick Horn - All American Alpacas alpacas@alpacaweb.com
http://aaalpacas.com

TO CHANGE OPTIONS visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alpacasite/join
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alpacasite/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Alpacasite-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/