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Saturday, June 20, 2009

Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Help, I need advice on replacing my girls after the dog attack.



Morgen;

 

If you are looking for a base line, you need to look at the bloodlines of these animals such as Rolling Thunder's animals who, like Allison pointed out, were based OUT OF Bolivian lines. While Alpacas de la Patagonia is a farm, they also have integrated lines from other farms, not just their own, though most are their animals from their farm in Chile. If you are looking to compare Chileans, Bolivians, and Peruvians to one another, look at the bloodlines of the animals we have mentioned. You will find information about these animals just like any others providing the breeders have put it up and you know where and how to look for this information. The histograms are provided by the breeders obviously, and I am not sure what comments you speak of other than those made by judges at shows, the breeders of the animals, etc. I may be confused as to what the point of you asking for the names is, how you are going about looking for them and what you are looking for on them. If you are not framiliar with anything about the Chileans or Bolivians, it is going to pose as a challenge I would imagine. If you would like or need help, let me know exactly what it is you are looking for, and I would be more than happy to help you out. I have been doing this for 14 years when it comes to getting the information I want to find.

 

However, like Allison pointed out, and was very much a "couldn't be any more true" statement, when they brought in the peruvians, they were made out to be much more than they really were. The concept that the peruvians are superior due to more advanced importation screening is not true at all. They used the same rules, regulations and screening with the Chileans and Bolivians that they did with the Peruvians. The only difference was they were farm more particular on what they were looking for because they were the last imports. Otherwise, all paperwork and rules were the way they were when they started.

 

Maegan



----- Original Message -----
From: "dreamwoodalpacas" <faileflys@yahoo.com>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:31:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Help, I need advice on replacing my girls after the dog attack.



Hi Jim,

I understand all that. Perhaps I should have been more specific--it is easier to research alpacas that were shipped through Peru as they kept good records and all are easily searchable online. Most of these listings include histograms and the evaluators comments. There is nothing like this I have been able to find for Chilean and Bolivian. Accordingly, I am asking who some of the outstanding Chileans and Bolivians are and what are they known for. So far I've heard to look for Acero Marka, The Silversmith, Rolling Thunder and Patagonia, though other than the Silversmith, the others are farms and I'm sure have good and bad, so again, I can't get a baseline, though at least I have a start.

Thanks,
Morgen

--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com, jim gregoryk <jimg2312@...> wrote:
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> Morgen,
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> This always make Peruvian Breeders mad, but being called peruvian only means that it is the country it was exported from.  Exporter/Buyer buy from all over South American and then sell from their home port.  Yes I have been there and talked with these people and seen the animals at the ports and in the wild(so to speak as all aplacas are really domesticated and owned by someone). Having a pure peruvian line simply means that all were sold out of the Port(s) in Peru.
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> Alpaca from Chile, Bolivia  and elsewhere are just as high quality as any.. Right now it seem to be the fad especially in the east to have peruvian lines.
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> I have my animals for their fiber and buy only animals with superior quality fiber and they have come from all over and from both Canadian and American registries. I have never had a problem ever with selling their gorgeous fiber or the offspring.
>  
> Jim
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> --- On Thu, 6/18/09, dreamwoodalpacas <faileflys@...> wrote:
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> From: dreamwoodalpacas <faileflys@...>
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Help, I need advice on replacing my girls after the dog attack.
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 6:55 PM
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> So I have a question, I find that doing research on Peruvians is much easier than Chileans or Bolivians, I guess because of the hype. Who are some of the outstanding Chileans and Bolivians and what are they known for?
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> Thanks,
> Morgen
> Dreamwood Farm
> Claverack, NY
>

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