Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA Shennanigans/subsidiary
Hi LIbby,
Please see my responses inline.
On Jan 1, 2008, at 9:18 PM, libby@alpacafarm.
>
>
> Heather,
>
> Ah, yet another accusation to make people upset. The nasties just keep
> coming. So, okay.... I'd like to know....what is the Board hiding and
> what
> trouble have they gone through to hide it? Please give me some
> examples.
> It's important that we hear the details.
I obviously have no personal knowledge, I only know what I saw in one
post from a concerned AOBA member which brought this current scandal to
light... and the scandal brought into the open by the "intervenors" a
few years ago... Something is rotten in Denmark.
>
> Hmmmm.... If you are talking about the subsidiary that isn't final
> yet...they put the subsidiary process in the Minutes and I believe
> Amy said
> they discussed it at the conference and at the affiliate meeting(s).
> I'd
> have to go back and read Amy's posts to be certain about the
> conference
> reference. But...are these the actions of someone intentionally hiding
> something? Amy apologized publically that they hadn't sent the letter
> to
> the entire memberhip yet (they have now done so) but if they were
> hiding
> it, why did they put it in the Minutes? Why did they tell so many
> people
> about it? Sure, Amy said they made a mistake by not telling the entire
> membership about the process. She's human...what do you want...blood?
> Isn't an apology and the letter to the full membership rectifying it
> enough? What IS enough? Will anything ever be enough for you?
> Obviously
> they weren't working very hard at hiding it. So....THAT can't be what
> they
> are hiding from us? What are you talking about? Specifics,
> please.....!
>
> Oh yes, a second accusation..
> clearly
> that the same elected Board will be responsible for the subsidiary.
> Why do
> you think that this Board will set it up so that funds can be
> diverted and
> payments made to them? Have funds been diverted before by this Board?
I don't know that either, but a FOR PROFIT company will without doubt
PAY its board very generously, and those are funds which in the past
had gone to support AOBA activities. Now we'll be paying ALC directors
huge salaries and bonuses (we already pay someone at AOBA nice
commissions on ad sales! Was everyone aware of that?) and we'll be
paying more for our AM and FRG program and Herdsire Edition ads, and
even more for that wonderful "benefactor" program! Don't believe me?
Just wait and watch!
> Have they tried to divert funds? What have any of these good people
> done
> that would lead you to publically say something like that before you
> find
> out the facts? Why are you making things up? To upset people? Have you
> talked with a Board member about this to see if it's the plan?
>
> Wow, obviously evasive answers to a simple question based on
> something YOU
> said. So... you're not going to back up your own statement? Why?
> Because
> you don't know why I want to know it? These were public mailings,
> didn't
> you say...so no one has anything to hide, right?
Yes, I don't know why you need to know who sent emails to me. I do
deserve to know what the BOD of an organisation I belong to (or did as
of 12/31/07) is up to, and why. What relevance my email inbox is to you
is my concern. I have no compelling reason to divulge that information
to you, as you are not on the AOBA board or any AOBA committee as far
as I know. And I did not SAY they were public mailings, I only know
that easily half of the AOBA "benefactors" have sent numerous email ads
to me in the past few months alone. I never said they were mass emails
or public mailings. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
> Obviously, Benefactors
> want their name out there or they wouldn't have sent the e-mail.
> Actually,
> the fact that they sent e-mails was one of YOUR big issues, not mine,
> remember? Now...because you don't know how I'm going to use the
> information, you don't want to answer the question when anyone who
> saved 2
> months of e-mails could easily look it up... based on what you said?
> Sure
> am glad you aren't on the Board. A simple question asking you to
> prove a
> statement YOU MADE publically when you corrected someone else and you
> start
> dancing around wondering why I'm asking about it and refusing to
> answer it.
>
> Heather, just imagine how the Board (or committees or anyone else)
> feels
> when you come at them with questions in the form of accusations and
> sarcasm? Imagine how they would feel reading your e-mail below? But
> then,
> I guess you don't ask them questions directly, do you? You just accuse
> them of all sorts of things without proof. You make all kinds of
> assumptions. Accuse them of things they haven't had a chance to even
> do
> yet. Can't you imagine how they feel when confronted with antagonistic
> questions or comments from someone who refers to them the way you do
> and
> says the things you say about them?
>
> My agenda? Yeah, I have one. It should be obvious. After all these
> years
> in the industry, I'm so darn tired of a few people who make
> accusations
> without proof. Who make statements without facts. Who hurt honest,
> good,
> hard working people because they CAN. Enough is enough!!
>
> Libby
Heather
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