Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA Shennanigans/subsidiary
Hmmm. I don't recall opting out of anything in my ARI membership, and
having just looked at my membership info online, I can't for the life
of me find out what you're talking about or where to change whatever it
is you claim I have opted out of! Do tell, I'd love to change it asap.
I never implied that AOBA designed ads for "benefactors" who send out
innumerable email ads, although your prior posts did seem to imply it
did desing them for those who purchased email blasts at the $200 each
level. I only said that was not the case, as that is the "work" of
placing email ads, the rest is just a very simple script inserting the
email address at the top of the ads to be sent out, and hardly worth
$200 per send.
Please try to keep focus. The difference is that these "benefactors"
get to send out as many of these emails as they wish, for their very
generous donation to AOBA. The rest of us have to pay $200 per email
blast to have AOBA send our message to the membership. That's $200 per
message! You really don't see the inequity in this scheme? Good lord.
Heather
On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Acres of Love wrote:
> We're not "opted out" of anything regarding alpacas, unlike many
> breeders
> (Westwind Alpacas & Stardust Alpacas included) who are "opted out" of
> disclosing ownership information in the ARI database. We want and
> welcome
> all alpaca related email and contact information and readily share
> our own
> information. To fail to stay on top of industry information (see what
> the
> other guy is doing) or conceal our ownership information would be
> comparable
> to operating a pizza takeout with an unlisted phone number.
>
> I'm not sure what difference it makes whether an email comes from a
> benefactor, a non-benefactor, a non-AOBA member or otherwise, such as
> a
> supplier. As far as I know, you're right... AOBA does not design ads
> when
> you contract them for a mailing. But, they don't design ads for
> benefactors
> or others that send commercial email, either.
>
> "goods or services for our membership fees" seems to be exactly what
> you are
> talking about. As pointed out by Steve McCarthy, it is quite common
> for
> "benefactors" of organizations, non-profit or otherwise, to receive
> special
> benefits. Those benefits are available to any member that chooses to
> donate. It is not illegal... but if you think it is, request the TN
> Attorney General to investigate/
>
> The AOBA commercial spots are run on Direct TV and Dish Network.
> They're
> run nationally, on a variety of channels. We see them often. Others
> obviously see them as well, or there would be no AOBA inquiries and no
> "leads". We've found no shortage of leads available for purchase. AOBA
> commercials are on a "spot buy" basis... kinda like being on
> "standby" for a
> flight. There is no advance schedule. But, I believe you can get an
> accounting from Jerry Miller or MarCom as to date, time, channel and
> network
> where a spot has been run.
>
> To the contrary here... I don't believe I am the one that is "angry".
>
> Jess
>
> Jess & Cookie Bowers
> Acres of Love Alpaca Ranch
> Acres of Love Alpaca Transport
> 11006 N 92nd East Ave
> Owasso, OK 74055-6531
> (918) 327-3519
> Fax (918) 272-0969
> WWW.Acresoflove.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Heather Zeleny" <alpacatalk@westwind
> To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA Shennanigans/
>
> > Ok. I just have to say you must have either opted out of something
> > somewhere, or maybe you didn't disclose your email address to AOBA.
> I
> > get emails weekly, even daily, even multiple times a day, from many
> of
> > those "benefactors.
> sire.
> > You know the ads. And does AOBA design those ads when we ask to buy
> > email blasts from them? I don't know, they certainly don't publish
> that
> > info anywhere, you have to call them. But I doubt that they do it
> > gratis, as part of the fee for sending the emails to the membership.
> >
> > You argument with regards to the mortgage company and gas stations
> is
> > like apples to oranges. We're not supposed to talking about actual
> > goods or services for our membership fees, are we? We're not paying
> > membership dues to Safeway or Shell. My membership in my credit
> union
> > allows me access to all of the credit union's products and
> services. A
> > non-profit is not allowed to benefit some members more than others,
> > even if some members "donate" more. That is illegal. Donating to the
> > Sisters of Mercy should not get me better at healthcare than even
> the
> > indigent at PeaceHealth clinics or hospitals. Giving the membership
> > database to only a certain few is illegal.
> >
> > And let's be clear, AOBA is not producing TV commercials that are
> seen
> > very widely. I never see any. But I do see Florida's Natural Orange
> > Juice ads all the time, Cotton, Got Milk, Beef; It's What's for
> Dinner,
> > Pork; the Other White Meat, etc., etc. Those are marketing
> cooperatives
> > that are working and are highly visible.
> >
> > Heather
>
>
>
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