Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA Shennanigans/subsidiary
We're not "opted out" of anything regarding alpacas, unlike many breeders
(Westwind Alpacas & Stardust Alpacas included) who are "opted out" of
disclosing ownership information in the ARI database. We want and welcome
all alpaca related email and contact information and readily share our own
information. To fail to stay on top of industry information (see what the
other guy is doing) or conceal our ownership information would be comparable
to operating a pizza takeout with an unlisted phone number.
I'm not sure what difference it makes whether an email comes from a
benefactor, a non-benefactor, a non-AOBA member or otherwise, such as a
supplier. As far as I know, you're right... AOBA does not design ads when
you contract them for a mailing. But, they don't design ads for benefactors
or others that send commercial email, either.
"goods or services for our membership fees" seems to be exactly what you are
talking about. As pointed out by Steve McCarthy, it is quite common for
"benefactors" of organizations, non-profit or otherwise, to receive special
benefits. Those benefits are available to any member that chooses to
donate. It is not illegal... but if you think it is, request the TN
Attorney General to investigate/
The AOBA commercial spots are run on Direct TV and Dish Network. They're
run nationally, on a variety of channels. We see them often. Others
obviously see them as well, or there would be no AOBA inquiries and no
"leads". We've found no shortage of leads available for purchase. AOBA
commercials are on a "spot buy" basis... kinda like being on "standby" for a
flight. There is no advance schedule. But, I believe you can get an
accounting from Jerry Miller or MarCom as to date, time, channel and network
where a spot has been run.
To the contrary here... I don't believe I am the one that is "angry".
Jess
Jess & Cookie Bowers
Acres of Love Alpaca Ranch
Acres of Love Alpaca Transport
11006 N 92nd East Ave
Owasso, OK 74055-6531
(918) 327-3519
Fax (918) 272-0969
WWW.Acresoflove.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Heather Zeleny" <alpacatalk@westwind
To: <AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA Shennanigans/
> Ok. I just have to say you must have either opted out of something
> somewhere, or maybe you didn't disclose your email address to AOBA. I
> get emails weekly, even daily, even multiple times a day, from many of
> those "benefactors.
> You know the ads. And does AOBA design those ads when we ask to buy
> email blasts from them? I don't know, they certainly don't publish that
> info anywhere, you have to call them. But I doubt that they do it
> gratis, as part of the fee for sending the emails to the membership.
>
> You argument with regards to the mortgage company and gas stations is
> like apples to oranges. We're not supposed to talking about actual
> goods or services for our membership fees, are we? We're not paying
> membership dues to Safeway or Shell. My membership in my credit union
> allows me access to all of the credit union's products and services. A
> non-profit is not allowed to benefit some members more than others,
> even if some members "donate" more. That is illegal. Donating to the
> Sisters of Mercy should not get me better at healthcare than even the
> indigent at PeaceHealth clinics or hospitals. Giving the membership
> database to only a certain few is illegal.
>
> And let's be clear, AOBA is not producing TV commercials that are seen
> very widely. I never see any. But I do see Florida's Natural Orange
> Juice ads all the time, Cotton, Got Milk, Beef; It's What's for Dinner,
> Pork; the Other White Meat, etc., etc. Those are marketing cooperatives
> that are working and are highly visible.
>
> Heather
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