Re: [AlpacaTalk] Libby's confession about alpacasite and politics site ownership
The REAL truth, Libby, is that your grandchildren must be on vacation
somewhere, so that you have time to spend letting your muse run free.
Thanks for the rest of the story! And a Happy and Healthy New Year to
you and the rest of the folks on this site.
Dave
Dave and Esther Friedman
Adirondack Alpacas
"From the Womb to the Loom"
Remsen, NY
www.newyorkalpacas.
libby@alpacafarm.
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> Okay, that's it. I give up. I confess. I bought both sites for five
> million dollars because I wanted to control the world...but I didn't
> buy it
> from Tim and Cindy! I bought it from the Romaniks!! Yes, it time to spill
> all the beans. The Romaniks are not angry with me because I had to
> repossess many animals they didn't pay for on two occasions...
> because
> I never paid them for alpacasite and the politics site. They are
> spreading
> lies about Tim and Cindy because well, they started the sites when Floyd
> and Ana weren't looking and Ana and Floyd had to buy it from Tim and
> Cindy
> for, you guessed it, ten million dollars!!! The lawsuits by the Romaniks
> against us and past and present Board members and against AOBA wasn't
> about
> years of Ana being unhappy with Board after Board after Board after Board
> and harrassing and threatening and lying about good people. It's because
> AOBA wouldn't buy the sites from her. After all, Ana does know best and
> AOBA should have known better than to argue with her and not do exactly
> what they were told. However, I kept Alpacasite and the politics site
> wihout paying for them (which is why Ana hates us so much) and sold
> them to
> John Pinkowski. I then convinced (you'll like this one...) Eric to
> threaten John so that John would sell it back to me at 50% of what I sold
> it to him for. Since certificates of ownership for groups can only
> transfer during full moons and when all parties involved in the
> transaction
> are facing north while standing on their left foot, I had lots of extra
> time to do all this. At least 24 hours! So....after I bought both sites
> back from John Pinkowski, I sold them to Heather, who then changed her
> name
> to Rick Horn. Yep, you guessed it!! Heather is really Rick Horn. She
> really masquerades as Rick and as a side business, PAYS Ana to run around
> lying about people to keep everyone upset. But that's not all. This gives
> Heather the chance to complain bitterly about alpacasite and its
> oppression
> while all the time it's Heather doing the oppressing! AND, it gives
> Heather the chance to say no one is answering questions when she knows
> full
> well that Amy is answering them. But folks, that's just a cover!! There
> IS no Rick Horn. It's actually Heather fulfilling her childhood
> fantasy to
> own alpacasite and suppress the masses and control the world! In fact,
> Heather has now owned alpacasite since alpacas came into this country in
> 1951. Yes, the bitter thruth is that Heather and Ana were importers and
> refused to sell alpacas to others until the late 1980's. They had gone
> into business selling alpaca dung and well, the rest is history. So, I
> give up. You figured it out! Ana and Heather and I can't hide any longer.
> I just can't live with this pressure. I confess! After all, Heather is
> willing to believe anything about me so it's time I just gave it up and
> confessed. Bet she didn't figure I'd take her down as well! Ha!
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> Yes, I also own the Moon. Yep, it's me! I've owned it since April of 2004
> and only told my good buddies the Romaniks. I'm sure they will tell you
> all this and phrase in such a way that it sounds like a horrible thing
> and
> will make everyone angry with me. After all, Ana wouldn't lie so she must
> know exactly how it came about and is 100% correct!! So, I also
> confess....I'
> northern section of the madaharion region, right near the coveted
> quarlutian. Anyone care to buy a chunk?
>
> Libby
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> Libby Forstner
> Magical Farms
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> "Floyd Romanik"
> <floyd@indiansumm
> eralpacas.com> To
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> Subject
> FW: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA and
> 12/30/2007 05:31 unsubscribing
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> Please respond to
> AlpacaTalk@yahoog
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> Heather,
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> Here's my understanding of Alpacasite ownership. Tim and Cindy Lavan
> started Alpacasite back in the mid 90's. They sold the site to Libby and
> Jerry Forstner. Libby and Jerry then got John Pinkowski to act as
> moderator
> of Alapcasite while they still owned it. When John quite because of
> threats
> of lawsuits between Eric Hoffman and Ken Madl over what was being posted;
> Libby and Jerry got Rick Horn to agree to be Moderator. According to
> Libby
> and Jerry as of April 2004 they were still the owners of both Alpacasite
> and
> Alpacapolitics. I don't know if they still own it today but they did in
> 2004. I was told the above by Libby and Jerry themselves.
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> I and others have tried to find out exactly who does own the sites these
> days to no avail. Yahoo groups won't say a word. Their lips are sealed…
>
> I think your perspectives as a moderator are exactly what's needed in the
> industry… Keep up the great work!
>
> All the best,
>
> Ana
>
> Floyd and Ana Romanik
> Indian Summer Alpacas
> Chepachet, Rhode Island
>
> Phone: (401) 568-7759
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> _____
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> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 3:21 PM
> To: alpacatalk@yahoogro
> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA and unsubscribing
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> I have said and will always say that we have the right and
> responsibility to ask questions, and to question what we disagree with.
> We have the right to voice dissatisfaction, we have a right to say so
> when something pisses us off, we have a right to say so when something
> looks rotten. I say we have the responsibility to speak out!
>
> I think the more this issue is talked out, the more we'll understand
> it. I don't care to have to join Rick Horn's groups. I don't think Rick
> Horn needs to control everyone.
>
> I started this group when John Pinkowski shut down AlpacaSite, then
> Rick weaseled his way into ownership of that group, after having been
> an alpaca owner for maybe a year. Now Rick sees fit to tell people what
> to say and what to think on AlpacaSite. I will not be such a moderator.
> I think we have the right to say what we think and feel. If it upsets
> some people, well, that's the price we pay for freedom of speech.
>
> Everyone doesn't have to agree with my thoughts or feelings, I don't
> have to keep silent when I think something isn't right.
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> Yes, this group is for helping our fellow breeders with alpaca
> husbandry issues, but it is also for the discussion of everything else
> that concerns our alpaca industry. And I won't change that.
>
> Best regards,
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> West Wind Alpacas
> Eugene, OR
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> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro grandson
> Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea Farms!
> http://www.westwind <http://www.westwind
> <http://www.westwind
> http://www.alpacana <http://www.alpacana
> <http://www.alpacana
> tion.com/westwind.
> http://tech. <http://tech.
> <http://tech.
> groups.yahoo.
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> On Dec 30, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Wyatt Black wrote:
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> > I disagree with you Heather, I see your posts as being inflammatory,
> > but we
> > all are different, that's what makes us all individuals! :)
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