RE: [Alpacasite] Dog Attack Post

Hi Steve,

Yeah, obviously! Sheesh...if I don't change the "To" line before writing
whatever I write, I don't remember to do it. And this time, I clearly
didn't do it! Ten lashes with a wet noodle for me!

Cheers,
Sue

Ed and Sue Downs
Kindred Spirits Ranch
P.O. Box 591
Cushing, Oklahoma 74023-0591
918-225-2706
info@kindredspiritsranch.com
www.kindredspiritsranch.com
www.alpacanation.com/kindredspirits.asp

-----Original Message-----
From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Hull, TimberLake Farms. Inc
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 4:56 PM
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Dog Attack Post

Sue, your problems with alpacasite are solved as you just posted to it!

Steve H.

At 04:19 PM 12/10/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Tawny,
>
>I can't post to Alpacasite, right now, due to a Yahoo glitch that I
>haven't had time to fix. But I wanted to thank you for this post and the
warning.
>I'm on my way out to our paddocks now to remove a piece of fencing we
>put in front of a doggie door to prevent one of our yearlings from
>getting back to his mother (and the rest of the girls). He had gone
>through the doggie door when we put him in the next paddock to live
>with other boys, so we blocked it off. We didn't like blocking it,
>because that meant our dogs could not get in the third paddock where we
>have two geldings and our beautiful yearling future herdsire. And that
>has bothered me, a lot. I'm going out now to remove the barrier. I'd
>rather deal with having to shoo Satori back where he belongs than to
>take a chance on anything getting in there and my dogs not being able
>to reach them. Thank you! I'm so glad your client was able to turn to
>you for help, and I'm glad their remaining animals are with you. I'm
>so sorry for them, for the loss of precious animals in such a horrific
>way. I wish there was something I could do to help them. My God, what a
nightmare...
>
>We've been in Oklahoma since mid-August, living on Ed's brother's farm
>until we are back on our feet and can buy our own property. They are
>very kind to take us in, lock, stock and critters. We like it here,
>although the thought of tornados scares me half to death. But people
>are so warm and welcoming, it's hard not to appreciate Oklahoma. And,
>it's very pretty in Central Oklahoma. I thought I would long for my
>mountains, but we have rolling hills and lots of trees, so it has a beauty
of its own that is very special.
>
>We haven't been in touch for a while. How are you, Tawny? How is your
>family, and how are your animals? I think of you often, with great
>affection. I hope all is well with you and that you have a wonderful
>holiday season.
>
>Warm regards,
>Sue
>
>
>Ed and Sue Downs
>Kindred Spirits Ranch
>P.O. Box 591
>Cushing, Oklahoma 74023-0591
>Home: 918-225-2706
>Cell-Sue: 918-873-0283
>info@kindredspiritsranch.com
>www.kindredspiritsranch.com
>www.alpacanation.com/kindredspirits.asp
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On
>Behalf Of Tawny Bott
>Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:40 AM
>To: Yahoogroups Alpacasite
>Subject: [Alpacasite] Dog attack!
>
>Hi sitters,
>
>I have some sad news to report, and also a reminder how determined and
>devastating domestic dogs, that are running in a pack, can be.
>
>Last week some dear friends and clients of mine, just had the terrible
>misfortune of having a pitbull attack on their alpacas and llamas.
>
>The first night all 4 male alpacas, 1 yearling llama and their 2 pygmy
>goats were killed. These were kept in two different fields. They were
>both at work, during the attack, but got back just in time to witness
>the aftermath, as the dogs had stayed to eat on the goats. My friend
>was able to shoot one of the dogs, a lab/shepherd mix, but the pitbull that
was with it, got away.
>
>4 days later, this pitbull returned with another pitbull (perhaps also
>at the first attack, although they didn't see it) and they killed the
>only pregnant female alpaca they owned, by cornering her in the barn.
>Well, she was damaged so badly, she had to be put down. Her almost 6
>month old cria also got bit on one of her back legs, but they were able
>to scare the dogs away before any more were attacked or killed. These
>are juvenile dogs, that have not been in the area long. To say they are
>devastated is and understatement, as they tried to do everything right
>and fenced for the predators in the area, mostly coyotes.
>
>I now have the only three animals they have left, here for safe
>keeping, the cria and two llamas, until something can be done.
>They had 4"x4" woven fencing, and those dogs actually wiggle though
>that small hole. If they hadn't seen it themselves, they never would
>have believed that that was how they got in and out.
>
>They think they finally know who owns the dogs, a neighbor, but the
>wheels of justice turn slowly, and they have to wait till the first
>officer that took the first report comes off of vacation before
>anything can be done. It sounds really strange to me, but that was what
they were told.
>
>My friends have been financially struggling for a while as they
>suddenly became the guardians of their three small grandkids, and then
>one was out of work for over 4 months. Of course with all that, they
>just didn't have the money to renew the insurance on their alpacas this
>year, when the finances went south. So I suspect the only way they will
>get anything back is if they sue the dogs owners, and then who knows if
>they will ever be able to collect. The irony is he had just gotten a
>new job two days before the attack or he would have been home. Not that
>that might have helped as my understanding is pitbulls attack in silence.
>This is second alpaca attack I know about personally and both people
>that experienced it, said they never heard a thing till they went
>outside. Even their inside dogs didn't bark.
>
>So of anyone knows of any experienced LGD's that are available, any
>breed, please let me know. They still want to continue in the alpaca
>business, but it is going to be tough, maybe even a couple of years
>before they get financially able again. They want to really reinforce
>their fencing and you know the price of that will not be cheap. Plus
>they won't bring their animals back until they can find at least couple
>of LGD's to help keep them safe.
>
>The cria that was bitten is thankfully doing well, though this is the
>first day she is walking without a pronounce limp. And she is stuck to
>her llama companions like glue, even though she is now living with
>several alpaca moms and crias. It's very sad really, to see those three
startle at everything.
>
>So please take this to heart. Even those living in the most urban of
>areas need to put up defenses against domestic dogs. Unlike wild
>predators, they kill for sport, not to eat, and if they get inside your
>fence, will slaughter and chase until there isn't anything left to chase.
>
>Hopefully posting this will help someone else from going through this
>horror.
>Tawny Bott
>Abra-Cadabra Alpacas
>303-621-9656
>http://www.abra-cadabraalpacas.com
>http://www.alpacanation.com/abra-cadabraalpacas.asp
><http://www.alpacanation.com/farmsandbreeders/03_viewfarm.asp?name=1030
>4>
>Kiowa, CO.
>Home of Bay Black, Multi-Blue ribbon winner, SRR's Mikado Rose,
>Mutli-Blue Ribbon and Reserve Color Champion, Royal Peruvian Montaro,
>Blue Ribbon and Reserve Color Champion, Ala Kazam and introducing Blue
>Ribbon Winner, Full Peruvian, Lt. Rose Grey, Bandit of Grace

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