RE: [AlpacaTalk] Buying alpaca fiber?
Dear List,
I want to make this plain. All of us have males who "do not measure up:"
They need to be used in some other kind of herd than a breeding herd. We
are as an industry all encouraging new folks who are interested in starting
with alpacas to start with fiber males.who can be very nice pets if placed
in small herds..and can make some income for their owners from fiber. As an
industry we do not yet have enough good answers for dealing with pet males.
FF and other larger breeders of repute are trying to deal with this problem
responsibly by making both fiber and pet males a viable industry income
stream through bringing new herders into the industry. However we as a
whole are not yet fully facing the large quantities of males who will never
be used for stud. We as an industry are the ones who are cruel.the farms
who are trying to develop a plan to deal with excess males are not the ones
who are at fault here. We all share the blame. It is our males that need
homes and a purpose. Are we working to realize that for them?
All alpaca owners who expect all those males who are not breeders to
suddenly evaporate are cruel. Having to sell them to places that then must
move them in small groups through venues that are not intended to place them
with educated owners.or who don't have the means to mentor and educate new
owners..they are the ones who are eventually at fault here. All the farms
who buy these little guys wholesale and then try to package them for retail
sale to the new alpaca herders.whom they try to educate.face a terrible
task.at a great cost that they cannot expect to successfully shoulder alone.
We as an industry need to do more. Just because they buy males from other
farms who are faced with placing that large crop each year does not make
them terrible.we are all responsible at some level. We need to make a
greater effort to educate and mentor new alpaca owners.
We need to support our own AFCNA in its attempts to find a mill market and
processing market that will be able to use our fiber. We must support AFCNA
in helping it to build markets for all our fiber grades and qualities. That
will. allow fiber herds to become more viable as a business and it will give
us a place for those excess males where they can have a livestock value that
will support their care.
I am sure that if we think on these issues as an industry .then we can and
must come up with better answers. We would not have to move these guys out
so young, if there were an obvious market for their qualities.
Allison Moss-Fritch
Santa Clara, CA
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Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:58 AM
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Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Buying alpaca fiber?
One of the questions I've been asking myself..as I gather that this farm is
getting large shipments of very young weanling males.is which big breeders
elsewhere are willing to take a $100 or so per baby and then ship them off
to this sales farm that takes such poor care of them.
That is a question that you also should ask: What are their sources of
registered pure blood alpaca males with fancy schmancy names.which are truly
only fiber herd material and should never be sold through such venues as
farmer's markets and livestock auctions.to the unsuspecting and uneducated
public.
Allison Moss-Fritch
New Moon Alpacas
Santa Clara, CA
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Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:17 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Buying alpaca fiber?
This can't possibly the same farm that has Peruvian Fabio, owned the
great Alianza Peruvian King Solomon since import?
Heather
On Aug 1, 2008, at 12:51 AM, Allison Moss-Fritch wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Fantasy farms is the group behind the "Cash for your fiber" and the
> company
> AAFF. Fantasy Farms, in case you have not recognized them--- are the
> folks
> who are buying all the little male weanlings they can come across at
> the
> cheapest prices they can.and then turning around and selling them at
> Farmer's markets and Auctions singly to folks as the "ideal pet" .for
> your
> child, etc. These little weanlings are sent home with folks who don't
> even
> understand that they CANT live alone and survive.and the price that
> they are
> sold at.$1000 per animal! These buyers are ignorant of their needs,
> their
> health requirements.
>
> So..they are not folks that I'd spend time getting my fiber to.for
> myriad
> reasons.
>
> If you need to know more about Fantasy Farms..google "pet alpaca" or
> ask Jim
> Patrick at Patrick's Pastures.who has been getting calls from new
> buyers
> whose alpaca pet boys bought from Fantasy Farms are "not doing so
> well".and
> would he please do the mentoring or maybe buy the animal from the new
> owners..even though he's had nothing to do with the sale except live
> in the
> same state where Fantasy Farms is located.
>
> Jeannie Wells of Wellspring Suris has the sad luck to live near
> enough to
> these folks to see into their barns.and she says that the little boys
> look
> so morose! She is also upset at the idea that someone is so callous to
> these little male weanlings from all over the country.bought for a
> song and
> sold at an inflated price singly.and without proper education of the
> buyers.
> Sets up everyone for a bad experience.so Texans in Alpacas are trying
> to do
> something about it through their AOBA affiliate organization. The
> dumping
> of these boys is very cruel. If their business ethics are as good in
> other
> parts of their business.I would not let them buy my fiber either.
>
> Allison Moss-Fritch
>
> Santa Clara, CA
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
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> On
> Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:40 PM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
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> Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Buying alpaca fiber?
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> I suppose you all got the mass email today for "CASH FOR YOUR ALPACA
> FIBER" from the American Alpaca Fiber Federation, LLC. I followed the
> link and what I garnered from scanning the page was that they will be
> making 80% cotton 20% alpaca denim??? I didn't see what they planned
> to
> pay for the fleece they buy. I apologize in advance for being a bit
> skeptical, but I don't really want alpaca in my denim, and I do want
> to
> know what someone will pay me for my fleece.
>
> Here in Oregon, we have a really great project going, thanks 100% to
> Peter and Carol Lundberg. It's the Pendleton Alpaca Blanket Project. I
> have donated almost 30 pounds of fleece. That was all of the "good
> stuff" I was willing to part with! Many others have donated far more,
> and people are still donating fleece! Please follow this link to learn
> about this very exciting project!
> http://www.elderber
>
> The idea is, we donate fleece, and those who have made donations by
> June 15th (yes, that date has passed but they may be flexible on this)
> have the opportunity to purchase throws at cost plus 3%, which they
> estimate will come to less than $40 per blanket. We can then re-sell
> them at an estimated retail price of... I dunno, what does a 100%
> alpaca throw go for today? $100, $200? No matter, good return on your
> investment.
>
> In the future, they plan to and really want to be able to purchase
> fleece from growers (us) at a minimum of $2 per pound. I know, that
> sounds like peanuts... sort of. It is an avenue to sell your product.
> It is a place to grow our industry. I know they want to offer more
> than
> that in the future.
>
> Wanna know what I think might be happening with that American alpaca
> "co-op"? I think they gather up all the fleece, have it processed,
> sell
> it at very low prices to Red Maple and other partner vendors, and then
> sell the finished product back to us, the producers. They don't offer
> cone yarn to us. They just want our free fleece. And then maybe they
> write a token check for a couple 100 bucks for your 10 years of
> membership, donations, and participation. Plus members have to pay
> shipping costs. I don't think those dividend payments even pay the
> shipping!
>
> The Lundbergs and Pendleton Wool are different. We're Oregonians! We
> want to make good stuff and reward people for their hard work! It's
> hard work raising alpacas! We think everyone deserves compensation for
> their efforts!
>
> So that's my limited view. I also know that I am going to be working
> hard to make product from my 2nds and 3rds. Hey, that's the throw-away
> stuff! If we can make product from every bit of fleece that comes off
> our alpacas, we can make a go of this industry.
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> White Lotus Alpacas
> (formerly West Wind Alpacas)
> Eugene, OR
>
> 541.895.0964
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> http://www.alpacana
> http://tech.
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