RE: [AlpacaTalk] Buying alpaca fiber?
Hi Heather,
I don't think your info on Jim Patrick is accurate.and I should know as I
have discussed selling some of mine through Jim if I had what he needed.
While there is a difference between list and sale prices.it is always the
meeting of minds between two motivated folks who know industry prices.
Perhaps you are not aware of Jim's costs either. I was not given prices
that included any 50% fees.I set my own prices I wanted for my animals
wholesale. If Jim then feeds, shows, advertises and packages with
breedbacks.as well as all the other services and mentoring and general value
added that he does.then what he can realize for his "values added" are what
the market will bear.and that is not likely to be more than a regular
brokering fee we'd pay anywhere.
I think it would be a good idea if we limited our discussions of Jim to a
site where he's a member, in all fairness. I don't think he's a member
here, so far as I know. I know Jim well and I've never seen him other than
honorable and ethical.
So in sum I think we should return to a discussion of the real issues
presented by our industry. We need to be talking about the 50 % of our cria
crop that is male.and the 40% of our cria crop which is never going to be
breeders.we owe them some fairness in their lives and some safe places to be
an alpaca. So I think we owe Jim an apology and our public and buyers some
education.
Allison Moss-Fritch
New Moon Alpacas
Santa Clara, CA
http://www.newmoona
From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:20 AM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Buying alpaca fiber?
I guess I missed most of the discussion regarding these pet male sales.
Do we know for a fact that Fantasy Farm Tx is buying pet males from
other breeders? Or are they their own pet males? They do have a large
farm, over 45 females for sale, so I'm sure they get plenty of pet boys
born every year!
As for Jim Patrick, well, I don't care much for his scheme, either.
Buying your animals at $.50 on the dollar and then he makes the
profit... To me that says greed, the usual 10-15% brokerage fee isn't
enough, he requires 50%.
I just wish we had people queuing up to give US $1000 each for our pet
boys!
I absolutely agree about not selling alpacas at farmer's markets and
livestock auction houses. And I just can't shake the bad feeling I have
about that alpaca auction "house" in Nebraska... No online info, no
catalog of lots for sale... I have the feeling it's run like one of
those livestock auctions. I have heard too many stores about people
buying animals there and then asking "What do they eat?" And I have
even heard about people buying unweaned crias as pets, so they can bond
with them.
We get calls for mentoring and after sale support- from other people's
clients! Of course we answer any question and offer our knowledge and
experience, but hey people! We have good alpacas too, many ribbon
winners! Good blood lines!
Heather
On Aug 1, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Allison Moss-Fritch wrote:
> One of the questions I've been asking myself..as I gather that this
> farm is
> getting large shipments of very young weanling males.is which big
> breeders
> elsewhere are willing to take a $100 or so per baby and then ship
> them off
> to this sales farm that takes such poor care of them.
>
> That is a question that you also should ask: What are their sources of
> registered pure blood alpaca males with fancy schmancy names.which
> are truly
> only fiber herd material and should never be sold through such venues
> as
> farmer's markets and livestock auctions.to the unsuspecting and
> uneducated
> public.
>
> Allison Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA
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