Re: [AlpacaTalk] Fwd: Thanks for all your sharing
Hello Heather,
You think that it's okay to post something like this? This looks exactly
like one of Ana's posts. I admit that I would never consider for one
minute that John or any rational person would write something like this.
You win, Heather. I cannot fight this kind of craziness as I'm not willing
to stoop to this level. So, go ahead. Think the worst. Continue with
your attacks. Enjoy. But remember Karma.......
Libby
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In my current unfortunate position as Chief Question Asker, I received
this email, and not from Ana nor from John. This is someone, I'll be
quite honest, that I had never heard of before. But that makes no
difference, I'm sure most people never would have heard of me if I'd
sit down and shut up and just assume the position and take everything
that's given to me, or offered at exorbitant pricetags... I hope more
people will have the courage to speak up and tell what they know.
To me, dear Libby, this is not about you or your family. This is about
AOBA and that WE, the members, should be calling the shots, and WE
should have services that are affordable to all members, not just those
who have a spare $1500 or $5000 every year, in addition to $795 for the
FRG plus $5k for I love alpacas, plus whatever the hell the fees are
for a 1/3 page ad in the other pubs... I know, I really do get it, this
is pocket change to you. But to many of us, this is a major portion of
our yearly gross income. It's about fairness. I really don't care how
<certain people with names and identities deleted> have got AOBA
controlled, it's about US. The rest of us. We deserve a chance too.
Heather
>
> Heather:
>
> You ARE on the right trail! Follow the money and games, and you will
> find yourself at Jerry and Libby's doorstep!!!
>
> Perhaps it has been such a long 2 years, and most folks forgot (or are
> too new) but AOBA resides in a fat lease in Jerry's building, in the
> state where they know how to play the game like this new corp. without
> articles of incorporation and by-laws! And, since it has now come into
> the open that there may not be ANY by-laws or articles of
> incorporation, AND MONIES have been moved out of AOBA the next HUGE
> question becomes "WHO CONTROLS THE MONEY?" I find Ana and Floyd to be
> intelligent people, none of all this anguish puts a darned cent in
> their pockets, but does outline their knowledge and concern. YES, they
> originally made friends, or so they thought with the Magical Family,
> BUT when they would not play it their way, Magical simply pulled the
> rug they had extended to them out from under them. This left them with
> little business, made them look bad, and broke! But still, all of this
> will not put a cent in their pockets, only put on the table what has
> been played with under the table, by those who are power mongers! But,
> they also got them booted from AOBA, so they had zero visibility in
> the industry as a whole!
>
> Perhaps it has been so long since the move most have forgotten about
> the pallets of documents that shipped NOT to the new office but wound
> up in storage in a warehouse controlled by a BOD member, and how many
> BOD persons are also ILA members own MFI alpacas? Follow the money; it
> will lead you to the truth!
>
> I do see how Libby finds ANA to be the problem, but no one hears
> Libby recanting how greedy the judge found them in their lawsuit
> against Land of Lakes, and how little he awarded them, in light of the
> 85 million they filed suit for. But that should not make Libby and
> Jerry greedy, it's ok that that amount would have jacked up the cost
> of all other products that the company makes. It will also be OK and
> JUST FINE when no other companies want to label anything for alpacas,
> because they now see us as a sue happy group of greed driven idiots,
> so why take on the liability and do the R&D to make a darned thing for
> us. BTW, yes it would help the industry if a large med manufacturer
> labeled a product for us, and we pulled our heads out and co-opted
> advertising nationally for it, as then folks would see our animals in
> the ads! DUH! Attached to a well-known pet brand, gosh, what a
> concept!
>
> There are puppets and puppeteers in this game and there are many who
> have been legally threatened should they go to far with this!!! Steve
> Hull is perhaps the cheapest to buy puppet in the whole game but that
> is how a guy, who with his education only owns ½ interest in a very
> small herd winds up in the national team plays errand boy for those
> with the money, and NO you can not recount ballots Steve destroyed
> them his oversight RIGHT! He did not know any better, great one!!!
> After all, it was the Jerry's team that put him in the news and it is
> an annual stop on his seminar list and he is on the BOD, and ILA where
> his ok is needed when expected and Erin, check out her herdsire row,
> too much MFI to be clean and ILA as well and Amy, same news! And when
> you do these searches you will be amazed they all have the same
> pattern! PROOF: All this is on alpaca site posts of the past so should
> be in archive, UNLESS Rick cleaned those out for them!! I also see Jan
> Davis has had to put her 2 cents in, while she was a funding source
> for the interveners, has her hands in every political situation,
> backs the competing shows of THE INTERNATIONAL ALPACA SHOWS, is or has
> been a ILA member and who's herd is registered under the DAVIS
> RESIDUAL TRUST, Wish we all had so much in trust you had to form a
> residual trust to carry the overload! OK, my bad. But since everyone
> gets a turn at bad why not ALL OF US USE THAT EXCUSE!!!
>
> Yes, I am very sure Libby would like this discussion to end, it's
> getting too touchy, and she's out of quick answers and Amy, her best
> friend who is also a member of ILA, and owns MFI animals, just had a
> brief moment of oversight on this whole thing RIGHT, does it not seem
> some or most of this should not have been up to a review committee?
> And before becoming a done deal, been put on the ballot? Oh, then they
> would have had to get more of their friends to put their names on
> these decisions that are in our best interests? (Are we taking turns
> with our oversights, and whoops moments? And that makes it OK?)
>
> Let's look at the nominating committee? Yes, Rick Horn is part of
> that, and it's no surprise! Why do they come up with so few for our
> consideration? One or two names you know, and a few you have no idea
> why they are running AOBA has a form that always went out with your
> renewal on the reverse side it asked WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED and it
> listed committees, volunteering why are these names NEVER contacted?
> We have filled them in, and so have many other farms and not one ever
> got contacted to participate! Why are we not drawing talent from the
> vast membership? BECAUSE they cannot control newcomers or EXPERIENCED
> BREEDERS WHO IS NOT IN THEIR CLICK? Unless they choose them from their
> group of their circle! This same game applies to ARI also, how else
> could THEY control both!
>
> Why and HOW did a committee (WHO ARE THESE THIEVES) agree to take away
> the purchase rights of the database with addresses and emails, which
> had always been available to every member and only, give it to
> benefactors? This is a change in status and this keeps the little guy
> from ever doing a mailing or their own blast to the membership unless
> you are a benefactor or PAY MORE to have them send out a blast that
> may be incomplete since you have no way to check where all it did or
> did not get sent?
>
> There are many more examples of these dirty games and they all have to
> do with pulling the wool over the new kids face…and keeping the
> competition to the few no less!!! No different then when they changed
> that each farm could enter three animals per class from the original
> two, we certainly do not think it was the small breeders wish, but
> Greg Mecklem got it done, and Linda Barry Walker left the committee,
> and the industry has not had another day of her time or talent! There
> is a gal who has been down every road, and found a safe crossing. When
> it got to where she would be advantaged over her clients (The small
> guys), she no longer had any reason to play with them. Rather then add
> the number of entries per class, how about we limit the number of
> animals any one breeder could bring to a show, instead they hide
> behind others, how else can a large farm get dozens of pens, right by
> the ring? You and I can only buy a limited number of pens? How do they
> get 50+ into 4, or 5, or 6 pens? They do not; they buy pens under
> their OTHER registered names and dominate the shows! Magical and TNT
> Farms, and buy multiple other pens! But that makes it OK? NOT, it's
> shooting the loopholes, and when that's not enough, they put more
> animals under / into farm pens bought by other farms, as personal
> favors. Could we change the way they play? Yes, but they would then
> just have them shown by others with permission to show slips, and
> still wind up dominating the show by their registered name! Unless we
> put a stop to it, things will only get worse, and they do have judges
> as friends and silent partners, and so where does it stop. Unless we
> go to show handlers, by drawing, and no owners show their own animals
> there will never be a way to keep it clean! Just like horses, the
> judges know who needs to win for them to be hired to judge!
>
> Too bad there are so few who have done the homework and who read the
> map! You are right on target, you do not need to be a member to be
> affected, you only need to have one alpaca, and the value of it will
> be changed by what this INDUSTRY does!! And if we let the over funded
> trust babies, and independently wealthy run this like their game, no
> one else will have any security at the end of the day. For these folks
> it's not about money, it's the power of the play, they care not if
> anyone else is happy, or fulfilled in what they do, only that they
> have others looking up to them and all their toys, and MORE POWER AND
> CONTROL!
>
> I would think it would not be a bad idea for every member of alpaca
> talk and the other groups to invite other alpaca site members to join
> your list, and to invite the newbies to contact a small ranch for a
> clear objective. Yes, it may blow off a few sales for us all, but we
> will keep a clean shirt, and know we have truly informed those we can.
> With any luck it will cost the big boys a few sales as well! Rather
> then let them continue with their line of BS.
>
> Be happy you are down to the last three, most of the rest of us still
> have way too much on the table, and as it looks more of us will be
> looking to leave then to stay. I am sure there are many others, who
> like us are burned out on the crap, and tired of the BS.
>
> Thanks for your energy!
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