[AlpacaTalk] Re: Fwd: Thanks for all your sharing
Libby,
When I referred to Karma...I was referring to you too!
Graciously
Toni Kester
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> Hello Heather,
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> You think that it's okay to post something like this? This looks
exactly
> like one of Ana's posts. I admit that I would never consider for
one
> minute that John or any rational person would write something like
this.
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> You win, Heather. I cannot fight this kind of craziness as I'm not
willing
> to stoop to this level. So, go ahead. Think the worst. Continue
with
> your attacks. Enjoy. But remember Karma.......
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> Libby
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> Heather
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> [AlpacaTalk] Fwd: Thanks for
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> 01/10/2008 01:56 your
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> In my current unfortunate position as Chief Question Asker, I
received
> this email, and not from Ana nor from John. This is someone, I'll be
> quite honest, that I had never heard of before. But that makes no
> difference, I'm sure most people never would have heard of me if I'd
> sit down and shut up and just assume the position and take
everything
> that's given to me, or offered at exorbitant pricetags... I hope
more
> people will have the courage to speak up and tell what they know.
>
> To me, dear Libby, this is not about you or your family. This is
about
> AOBA and that WE, the members, should be calling the shots, and WE
> should have services that are affordable to all members, not just
those
> who have a spare $1500 or $5000 every year, in addition to $795 for
the
> FRG plus $5k for I love alpacas, plus whatever the hell the fees are
> for a 1/3 page ad in the other pubs... I know, I really do get it,
this
> is pocket change to you. But to many of us, this is a major portion
of
> our yearly gross income. It's about fairness. I really don't care
how
> <certain people with names and identities deleted> have got AOBA
> controlled, it's about US. The rest of us. We deserve a chance too.
>
> Heather
>
>
>
> >
> > Heather:
> >
> > You ARE on the right trail! Follow the money and games, and you
will
> > find yourself at Jerry and Libbyâs doorstep!!!
> >
> > Perhaps it has been such a long 2 years, and most folks forgot
(or are
> > too new) but AOBA resides in a fat lease in Jerryâs building,
in the
> > state where they know how to play the game like this new corp.
without
> > articles of incorporation and by-laws! And, since it has now come
into
> > the open that there may not be ANY by-laws or articles of
> > incorporation, AND MONIES have been moved out of AOBA the next
HUGE
> > question becomes "WHO CONTROLS THE MONEY?" I find Ana and Floyd
to be
> > intelligent people, none of all this anguish puts a darned cent
in
> > their pockets, but does outline their knowledge and concern. YES,
they
> > originally made friends, or so they thought with the Magical
Family,
> > BUT when they would not play it their way, Magical simply pulled
the
> > rug they had extended to them out from under them. This left them
with
> > little business, made them look bad, and broke! But still, all of
this
> > will not put a cent in their pockets, only put on the table what
has
> > been played with under the table, by those who are power mongers!
But,
> > they also got them booted from AOBA, so they had zero visibility
in
> > the industry as a whole!
> >
> > Perhaps it has been so long since the move most have forgotten
about
> > the pallets of documents that shipped NOT to the new office but
wound
> > up in storage in a warehouse controlled by a BOD member, and how
many
> > BOD persons are also ILA members own MFI alpacas? Follow the
money; it
> > will lead you to the truth!
> >
> > I do see how Libby finds ANA to be the problem, but no one hears
> > Libby recanting how greedy the judge found them in their lawsuit
> > against Land of Lakes, and how little he awarded them, in light
of the
> > 85 million they filed suit for. But that should not make Libby and
> > Jerry greedy, itâs ok that that amount would have jacked up the
cost
> > of all other products that the company makes. It will also be OK
and
> > JUST FINE when no other companies want to label anything for
alpacas,
> > because they now see us as a sue happy group of greed driven
idiots,
> > so why take on the liability and do the R&D to make a darned
thing for
> > us. BTW, yes it would help the industry if a large med
manufacturer
> > labeled a product for us, and we pulled our heads out and co-opted
> > advertising nationally for it, as then folks would see our
animals in
> > the ads! DUH! Attached to a well-known pet brand, gosh, what a
> > concept!
> >
> > There are puppets and puppeteers in this game and there are many
who
> > have been legally threatened should they go to far with this!!!
Steve
> > Hull is perhaps the cheapest to buy puppet in the whole game but
that
> > is how a guy, who with his education only owns ½ interest in a
very
> > small herd winds up in the national team plays errand boy for
those
> > with the money, and NO you can not recount ballots Steve destroyed
> > them his oversight RIGHT! He did not know any better, great one!!!
> > After all, it was the Jerryâs team that put him in the news and
it is
> > an annual stop on his seminar list and he is on the BOD, and ILA
where
> > his ok is needed when expected and Erin, check out her herdsire
row,
> > too much MFI to be clean and ILA as well and Amy, same news! And
when
> > you do these searches you will be amazed they all have the same
> > pattern! PROOF: All this is on alpaca site posts of the past so
should
> > be in archive, UNLESS Rick cleaned those out for them!! I also
see Jan
> > Davis has had to put her 2 cents in, while she was a funding
source
> > for the interveners, has her hands in every political situation,
> > backs the competing shows of THE INTERNATIONAL ALPACA SHOWS, is
or has
> > been a ILA member and whoâs herd is registered under the DAVIS
> > RESIDUAL TRUST, Wish we all had so much in trust you had to form a
> > residual trust to carry the overload! OK, my bad. But since
everyone
> > gets a turn at bad why not ALL OF US USE THAT EXCUSE!!!
> >
> > Yes, I am very sure Libby would like this discussion to end,
itâs
> > getting too touchy, and sheâs out of quick answers and Amy, her
best
> > friend who is also a member of ILA, and owns MFI animals, just
had a
> > brief moment of oversight on this whole thing RIGHT, does it not
seem
> > some or most of this should not have been up to a review
committee?
> > And before becoming a done deal, been put on the ballot? Oh, then
they
> > would have had to get more of their friends to put their names on
> > these decisions that are in our best interests? (Are we taking
turns
> > with our oversights, and whoops moments? And that makes it OK?)
> >
> > Letâs look at the nominating committee? Yes, Rick Horn is part
of
> > that, and itâs no surprise! Why do they come up with so few for
our
> > consideration? One or two names you know, and a few you have no
idea
> > why they are running AOBA has a form that always went out with
your
> > renewal on the reverse side it asked WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED and
it
> > listed committees, volunteering why are these names NEVER
contacted?
> > We have filled them in, and so have many other farms and not one
ever
> > got contacted to participate! Why are we not drawing talent from
the
> > vast membership? BECAUSE they cannot control newcomers or
EXPERIENCED
> > BREEDERS WHO IS NOT IN THEIR CLICK? Unless they choose them from
their
> > group of their circle! This same game applies to ARI also, how
else
> > could THEY control both!
> >
> > Why and HOW did a committee (WHO ARE THESE THIEVES) agree to take
away
> > the purchase rights of the database with addresses and emails,
which
> > had always been available to every member and only, give it to
> > benefactors? This is a change in status and this keeps the little
guy
> > from ever doing a mailing or their own blast to the membership
unless
> > you are a benefactor or PAY MORE to have them send out a blast
that
> > may be incomplete since you have no way to check where all it did
or
> > did not get sent?
> >
> > There are many more examples of these dirty games and they all
have to
> > do with pulling the wool over the new kids faceâ¦and keeping the
> > competition to the few no less!!! No different then when they
changed
> > that each farm could enter three animals per class from the
original
> > two, we certainly do not think it was the small breeders wish, but
> > Greg Mecklem got it done, and Linda Barry Walker left the
committee,
> > and the industry has not had another day of her time or talent!
There
> > is a gal who has been down every road, and found a safe crossing.
When
> > it got to where she would be advantaged over her clients (The
small
> > guys), she no longer had any reason to play with them. Rather
then add
> > the number of entries per class, how about we limit the number of
> > animals any one breeder could bring to a show, instead they hide
> > behind others, how else can a large farm get dozens of pens,
right by
> > the ring? You and I can only buy a limited number of pens? How do
they
> > get 50+ into 4, or 5, or 6 pens? They do not; they buy pens under
> > their OTHER registered names and dominate the shows! Magical and
TNT
> > Farms, and buy multiple other pens! But that makes it OK? NOT,
itâs
> > shooting the loopholes, and when thatâs not enough, they put
more
> > animals under / into farm pens bought by other farms, as personal
> > favors. Could we change the way they play? Yes, but they would
then
> > just have them shown by others with permission to show slips, and
> > still wind up dominating the show by their registered name!
Unless we
> > put a stop to it, things will only get worse, and they do have
judges
> > as friends and silent partners, and so where does it stop. Unless
we
> > go to show handlers, by drawing, and no owners show their own
animals
> > there will never be a way to keep it clean! Just like horses, the
> > judges know who needs to win for them to be hired to judge!
> >
> > Too bad there are so few who have done the homework and who read
the
> > map! You are right on target, you do not need to be a member to be
> > affected, you only need to have one alpaca, and the value of it
will
> > be changed by what this INDUSTRY does!! And if we let the over
funded
> > trust babies, and independently wealthy run this like their game,
no
> > one else will have any security at the end of the day. For these
folks
> > itâs not about money, itâs the power of the play, they care
not if
> > anyone else is happy, or fulfilled in what they do, only that they
> > have others looking up to them and all their toys, and MORE POWER
AND
> > CONTROL!
> >
> > I would think it would not be a bad idea for every member of
alpaca
> > talk and the other groups to invite other alpaca site members to
join
> > your list, and to invite the newbies to contact a small ranch for
a
> > clear objective. Yes, it may blow off a few sales for us all, but
we
> > will keep a clean shirt, and know we have truly informed those we
can.
> > With any luck it will cost the big boys a few sales as well!
Rather
> > then let them continue with their line of BS.
> >
> > Be happy you are down to the last three, most of the rest of us
still
> > have way too much on the table, and as it looks more of us will be
> > looking to leave then to stay. I am sure there are many others,
who
> > like us are burned out on the crap, and tired of the BS.
> >
> > Thanks for your energy!
>
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