Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA Shennanigans/subsidiary
I just want to clarify that when I talk about those $1500 and $5000
"benefactor" levels, I'm talking about the AOBA membership levels that
give those who can afford those "contributions" our Alpacas Magazine,
and quarterly Excel files of membership directory. I'm not talking
about the sponsorship at shows. That money stays with the affiliates,
and I'm talking about the AOBA membership schemes. Please tell me if
they're the same because I didn't think they were, and your continual
speaking of them in the same vein implies they are the same thing.
Heather
On Dec 30, 2007, at 10:09 AM, libby@alpacafarm.
>
>
> Heather,
>
> I reread your earlier post and felt much contempt but that's how I
> read it.
> People can decide for themselves how it came across. I think people
> give
> what they can and all levels and amounts are appreciated and very
> needed.
>
> Here's where I also disagree with John below. Farms are businesses
> like
> any other and people have "budgets" for promotion. One way to get your
> farm noticed is to sponsor. If there was no "recognition" levels, most
> shows as well as AOBA would lose their sponsorships. It's more than
> just
> giving. It is a business decision as much as anything and there is
> nothing
> wrong with that. Shows and AOBA all depend on sponsorships or the
> costs of
> shows and AOBA would certainly be impossible for many to afford.
> Maybe you
> and I need to be more careful how we come across. I'm sorry but
> comments
> like "shennanigans" are not simply dissatisfaction.
> insinuation of
> wrongdoing..
> worked so
> hard to come up with this fund-raising plan. People just like you
> came up
> with these sponsorship promotions (I had nothing to do with it) but
> luckily
> many breeders support the concept and it works financially for nearly
> every
> show, every event and AOBA.
>
> Enough said. We can agree to disagree.
>
> Libby
>
> Libby Forstner
> Magical Farms
>
> Heather Zeleny
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> 12/30/2007 11:57 Shennanigans/
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>
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> No one has treated anyone who "gives" with contempt. That is one major
> difference in this entire thread.
>
> Because some are dissatisfied with the membership pricing structure,
> and voice that dissatisfaction, you say we are somehow treating those
> who are benefiting from this scheme with contempt. Not so. We're
> questioning what in the world our AOBA board is up to, and we're
> displeased with some things, but we're not the ones treating anyone
> with contempt.
>
> This particular thread is about what funny business AOBA is up to and
> how they can possibly own and for-profit company, and why the small
> breeders are nickel and dimed so harshly!
>
> John is absolutely correct, the $1500 and $5000 membership levels are
> much more than "donations." Rather than simply receiving recognition
> and a plaque, those with the most money are given quarterly AOBA
> membership roster in and Excel file, from which they can copy the
> email
> addresses and send out scores of emails with sales pitches. The rest
> of
> us can pay AOBA to send emails for us at $100 a pop (or is it $200?).
> Yes, those "benefactors" do indeed receive consideration for their
> "donation." When I donate to causes, the gift is usually a totebag or
> a
> mug. No, I don't have the discretionary income to give $1500 or $5000,
> so maybe when you donate that much, your thank-you gift is more. But
> to
> give those who join at that level such a huge advantage over those who
> join at the Farm memberhsip level is not fair and I doubt if the
> membership would have approved such a thing if it were put to US for a
> vote.
>
> Heather
>
> On Dec 30, 2007, at 6:42 AM, libby@alpacafarm.
>
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I don't disagree with much of what you say. But when people who are
> > barely
> > able to donate, do donate as with AOBA, treating them with contempt
> > is not
> > the answer either. That is something you and I don't agree upon and
> I
> > do
> > speak up to defend them. Most people who give are not rich. Most
> give
> > because it hurts. Sometimes acknowledgement is the only thing AOBA
> > gives
> > for people who give. It is something and it is not bad to
> acknowledge
> > the
> > good deeds of others. Just because someone with 1,000 animals gives,
> > doesn't mean they didn't give and should be treated with contempt.
> It
> > was
> > an example. That's all. Most people do give until it hurts. Most
> don't
> > ask for a thing. Some people are never happy with anyone or
> anything.
> > Some people are always happy and giving. Diffences in people, I
> guess.
> >
> > Libby
> >
> > Libby Forstner
> > Magical Farms
>
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