Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA Shennanigans/subsidiary
Heather,
I reread your earlier post and felt much contempt but that's how I read it.
People can decide for themselves how it came across. I think people give
what they can and all levels and amounts are appreciated and very needed.
Here's where I also disagree with John below. Farms are businesses like
any other and people have "budgets" for promotion. One way to get your
farm noticed is to sponsor. If there was no "recognition" levels, most
shows as well as AOBA would lose their sponsorships. It's more than just
giving. It is a business decision as much as anything and there is nothing
wrong with that. Shows and AOBA all depend on sponsorships or the costs of
shows and AOBA would certainly be impossible for many to afford. Maybe you
and I need to be more careful how we come across. I'm sorry but comments
like "shennanigans" are not simply dissatisfaction.
wrongdoing..
hard to come up with this fund-raising plan. People just like you came up
with these sponsorship promotions (I had nothing to do with it) but luckily
many breeders support the concept and it works financially for nearly every
show, every event and AOBA.
Enough said. We can agree to disagree.
Libby
Libby Forstner
Magical Farms
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No one has treated anyone who "gives" with contempt. That is one major
difference in this entire thread.
Because some are dissatisfied with the membership pricing structure,
and voice that dissatisfaction, you say we are somehow treating those
who are benefiting from this scheme with contempt. Not so. We're
questioning what in the world our AOBA board is up to, and we're
displeased with some things, but we're not the ones treating anyone
with contempt.
This particular thread is about what funny business AOBA is up to and
how they can possibly own and for-profit company, and why the small
breeders are nickel and dimed so harshly!
John is absolutely correct, the $1500 and $5000 membership levels are
much more than "donations." Rather than simply receiving recognition
and a plaque, those with the most money are given quarterly AOBA
membership roster in and Excel file, from which they can copy the email
addresses and send out scores of emails with sales pitches. The rest of
us can pay AOBA to send emails for us at $100 a pop (or is it $200?).
Yes, those "benefactors" do indeed receive consideration for their
"donation." When I donate to causes, the gift is usually a totebag or a
mug. No, I don't have the discretionary income to give $1500 or $5000,
so maybe when you donate that much, your thank-you gift is more. But to
give those who join at that level such a huge advantage over those who
join at the Farm memberhsip level is not fair and I doubt if the
membership would have approved such a thing if it were put to US for a
vote.
Heather
On Dec 30, 2007, at 6:42 AM, libby@alpacafarm.
>
>
> John,
>
> I don't disagree with much of what you say. But when people who are
> barely
> able to donate, do donate as with AOBA, treating them with contempt
> is not
> the answer either. That is something you and I don't agree upon and I
> do
> speak up to defend them. Most people who give are not rich. Most give
> because it hurts. Sometimes acknowledgement is the only thing AOBA
> gives
> for people who give. It is something and it is not bad to acknowledge
> the
> good deeds of others. Just because someone with 1,000 animals gives,
> doesn't mean they didn't give and should be treated with contempt. It
> was
> an example. That's all. Most people do give until it hurts. Most don't
> ask for a thing. Some people are never happy with anyone or anything.
> Some people are always happy and giving. Diffences in people, I guess.
>
> Libby
>
> Libby Forstner
> Magical Farms
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