Re: [Alpacasite] Re: F&R Guide questionable value

Ruth,

You make a point about concerns about the accuracy of the data
maintained by AH. This problem was one of many which I believe the AOBA
BOD considered when deciding to make the move to their own office.

Something else to consider, once this directory is published it can
become outdated since many people frequently change their e-mail
address. This could count for some of your 10% error rate (not all of it
but probably some of it). We need to remind each other to keep the AOBA
office up to date if you make changes to your ranch profile. I suspect
this is one of the features that may be part of the new and updated AOBA
website (ability to change your ranch profile like you can on the ARI
website).

Tim Wilson
Sterling Forrest Alpacas
Chagrin Falls, OH

Alpaca Heaven MI wrote:

>I take your point Tim, however I am wondering how accurately AOBA is recording this information as 2 years ago our farm information was badly messed up and did not reflect what I had put on the membership forms.
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>Tim Wilson <tpwilson2@adelphia.net> wrote: Ruth,
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>I am sorry for the misunderstanding. I am still confused. You originally
>said it was a supplement to the F&RG. Is this still the case?
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>As far as using the F&RG and making mailing's based upon the e-mail
>address's inside, I reiterate that AOBA is not responsible for these
>addresses, they are the responsibility of the folks that are paying to
>advertise and they are responsible for the information provided.
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>Please note that there is a difference between the Farm and Ranch Guide
>(listing of farms that pay to advertise in this guide) and the AOBA
>Membership guide (which is a listing of all AOBA members). Seems you
>might have confused the 2.
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>Tim Wilson
>Sterling Forrest Alpacas
>Chagrin Falls, OH
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>Alpaca Heaven MI wrote:
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>>Sorry Tim you seem to have misunderstood what I was getting at. It was a supplement which inside said it included those who were left out in error and also new members since October.
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>> But further to this FRG error - what I was sighting was the errors made in the email addresses - when I send out emails using the FRG as a source I had a rate of 10% returned as invalid email addresses. The data base of membership information does not seem to do justice to the members who are listed with errors in their contact information.
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>> Ruth
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>> Tim Wilson <tpwilson2@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> Ruth,
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>>Did you receive a supplement to the F&RG or a supplement to the AOBA
>>member listing? If you received one to the F&RG I would greatly
>>appreciate if you could e-mail me a photo of the cover since I am
>>unaware of the existence of this and would like to inquire to the
>>marketing committee and to AOBA as to what this is.
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>>FYI - many of you have likely received a very recent copy of a
>>supplemental listing of AOBA members (no advertising required to receive
>>a copy - this is one of the benefits of being an AOBA member) that was
>>designed to list those members that were left out of the 2005 listing of
>>AOBA members that is published in the 1st quarter of every year.
>>Unfortunately this is one of the many areas that our association
>>contractor (AH) failed to deliver on in terms of service and is one of
>>the reasons why AOBA decided to leave AH and to form their own office.
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>>If I can make a request - I fully encourage our membership to voice
>>their opinions on their likes and dislikes of our membership
>>associations leadership and committee decisions and I encourage the
>>moderator of this forum to allow wide and open discussions of ALL things
>>associated with alpacas even when they involve criticisms of individual
>>or committee actions but I do request that those that want to express
>>their criticism's please research your issue and try and make sure that
>>the information that you present is accurate and pertinent.
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>>Ruth is likely to have a valid gripe if this F&RG supplement missed 10%
>>of the paid advertisers. If her complaint is about the supplemental AOBA
>>membership then, while she has a legitimate gripe concerning the
>>management of our association, she is a bit off the mark in chastising
>>the association for leaving out 10% of the paid advertisers when this is
>>not likely to have occurred.
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>>As far as the accuracy of any e-mail address in the F&RG it is the
>>responsibility of the advertiser to ensure that their e-mail addresses
>>are correct. This is not something that AOBA can be responsible for.
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>>Tim Wilson
>>Sterling Forrest Alpacas
>>Chagrin Falls, OH
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>>Alpaca Heaven MI wrote:
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>>>I imagine it is being sent to everyone as we were not one of the farms left out.
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>>>Lisa Robin Olsen <AlpacaAtlantic@aol.com> wrote: Ruth,
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>>>You received a supplement??? I wonder when it was sent out, if it
>>>was sent to the entire AOBA membership, or just those that had been
>>>left out??? Doesn't sound like it's very useful, but would be nice
>>>to have.
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>>>Warmest Regards,
>>>Lisa
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>>>Alpaca Atlantic of TN: Full-time Ranchers, Full-time Commitment,
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>>>Phone: (931) 728-6945
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>>>--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, Alpaca Heaven MI <r_laity@y...>
>>>wrote:
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>>>>I was amused that there was a supplement published to the FRG
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>>>which was supposed to take care of errors and newbies. I had done
>>>some emailing from the original FRG and found that there is about a
>>>10% error rate with email addresses. Well one would hope that the
>>>supplement had the errors licked...... experienced the same 10%
>>>error rate again. From a data base and membership point of view
>>>this is disappointing - and so far the FRG has not been charged
>>>for. How happy are farm and ranch owners when they are paying for
>>>information with a 10% error rate???
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>>>>Ruth Affleck-Laity
>>>>Alpaca Heaven, MI
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>>>>alpacastarr <starr@v...> wrote:
>>>>That's a fair request - it's hard accepting criticism without
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>>>good
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>>>>alternative ideas.
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>>>>I suggest that while the final recommendation must come the from
>>>>committees and the final decision will always rest with the board,
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>>>I
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>>>>don't see why a "pros and cons" discussion of various ideas and
>>>>proposals right here on alpacasite would not be a valid source of
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>>>>I realize that not everyone who signs on to alpacasite is an AOBA
>>>>member, but you never know where good ideas or improvements to make
>>>>already good ideas great might come from. A/S is a very large
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>>>>unpopular (as presented) here there's a pretty good chance it
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>>>>unpopular with members too. And, it's cheap to ask for input - no
>>>>expensive studies, no travel, no high-priced consultants - on A/S
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>>>>you can be sure of getting a diverse range of opinions. Just ask,
>>>>you'll get more input than you know what to do with probably!
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>>>>I wonder how the board/committees get member input now?
>>>>
>>>>Starr
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>>>>--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, bbeatty656@a... wrote:
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>>>>>I, for one, would be very interested in a dialogue on how to
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>>>>>I think most of us know about the need.
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>>>>>No generalities needed.
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>>>>>Instead, how about a few realistic, detailed suggestions.
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