Re: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Alpaca Talk on FaceBook
Hi all - just a few thoughts as a breeder in New Zealand, where there are certainly similar discussions occurring in the industry. This is certainly an emotive topic that tends to polarise owners / breeders, and I won't be expressing my opinion today, but would suggest that if there is strong feeling on the forum against any such discussions that either another forum is established where such discussions are accepted, or if posts are made the title is clear so those who choose not to open posts can do so. Either way, establishing clear parameters about whether or how discussions occur to ensure the forum meets needs of members as much as practicable, is important. We all have different opinions, there are no rights and wrongs, and we all have different needs, ranging from the owner of two pets to large commercial operations, so also think it important that we don't assume what other's opinions are, or their needs on the forum, which are diverse. It did concern me however to hear comments like "most people on the forum are against alpaca slaughter" - that's not accurate.
It is an important and inevitable issue for the industry internationally - in NZ and Australia the meat industry is in it's infancy, but is occurring. Similarly, there has always been knowledge that breeders do cull for meat, but that it's not really discussed openly. It's an issue I'm comfortable with and interested in discussing, however understand it may be unpleasant for others which I respect, and that their longstanding perception of the forum as a place for safe topics, information and support may be eroded.
How we manage this I'm not sure, but surely there'll be some options so we can retain the benefit of the forum for members.
Regards,
Kirsty Connell
Valenza Alpacas Ltd
Tauranga
New Zealand
From: "jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth.net" <jelizabethfarms1@bellsouth..net>
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2012 6:18 AM
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] RE: Alpaca Talk on FaceBook
<<<Thank you Heather. You took
the words right out of my head
and said exactly what I was thinking.
Shirley Dillon
Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ 07920
www.alpacanation.
the words right out of my head
and said exactly what I was thinking.
Shirley Dillon
Alpacas of Gemini Farm
Basking Ridge, NJ 07920
www.alpacanation.
com/geminifarm. asp
908-647-2995
----- Original Message -----
From: Heather Zeleny
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AlpacaTalk on FaceBook
Obviously. I think everyone knows this. And in light of the fact that there are indeed so many other discussion groups out there, I see no reason that there should not be one that supports "no-kill".
Heather>>>
Ditto. If someone needs or wants to know how to cull their alpacas, there are plenty of other places to go. I don't want to open my digest every day wondering if I am going to be slapped in the face with what may be a common practice but is not one I care to know about or think about. Every animal that comes to live at my farm gets to stay until he/she dies, enjoying companionship and care every day, health care when needed, and then gets to be buried among his/her friends. I realize that is not the case for everyone. I also realize that sometimes hard decisions have to be made. But for someone to enter the group asking for that discussion right off the bat I suspect it to become a common thread. If so, I will stop coming here to visit with my other alpaca friends. I would be unhappy to fear opening an AlpacaTalk digest out of concern there may be a grizzly heartbreaking discussion going on. As I am on digest I don't get to pick and choose which posts I open.
My elderly matriarch has given me many years of love, affectionate, and pure enjoyment. She may be old, but I still love her.....regardless that her hair may be thinning......so is mine. She often walks with a limp these days. So do I many mornings. Whether she can make me any money or not matters not one whit to me. And trust me money is a huge issue for me these past few years....single unemployed mom homeschooling my kiddos.
I for one refuse to participate in FaceBook for many reasons. After so many years on this list, it is interesting that the subject of culling/slaughtering alpacas has just now arisen now that AlpacaTalk is on FB.
I do hope FB won't supercede this wonderfully caring yahoo group.
Warmly,
Janice
908-647-2995
----- Original Message -----
From: Heather Zeleny
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AlpacaTalk on FaceBook
Obviously. I think everyone knows this. And in light of the fact that there are indeed so many other discussion groups out there, I see no reason that there should not be one that supports "no-kill".
Heather>>>
Ditto. If someone needs or wants to know how to cull their alpacas, there are plenty of other places to go. I don't want to open my digest every day wondering if I am going to be slapped in the face with what may be a common practice but is not one I care to know about or think about. Every animal that comes to live at my farm gets to stay until he/she dies, enjoying companionship and care every day, health care when needed, and then gets to be buried among his/her friends. I realize that is not the case for everyone. I also realize that sometimes hard decisions have to be made. But for someone to enter the group asking for that discussion right off the bat I suspect it to become a common thread. If so, I will stop coming here to visit with my other alpaca friends. I would be unhappy to fear opening an AlpacaTalk digest out of concern there may be a grizzly heartbreaking discussion going on. As I am on digest I don't get to pick and choose which posts I open.
My elderly matriarch has given me many years of love, affectionate, and pure enjoyment. She may be old, but I still love her.....regardless that her hair may be thinning......so is mine. She often walks with a limp these days. So do I many mornings. Whether she can make me any money or not matters not one whit to me. And trust me money is a huge issue for me these past few years....single unemployed mom homeschooling my kiddos.
I for one refuse to participate in FaceBook for many reasons. After so many years on this list, it is interesting that the subject of culling/slaughtering alpacas has just now arisen now that AlpacaTalk is on FB.
I do hope FB won't supercede this wonderfully caring yahoo group.
Warmly,
Janice
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