alpacas: Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW

Hi Heather,

I just reread what I had written. No where did I see that I implied anything. It was a very straight forward message: Would you, or would you not be upset if some one NAMED your farm and STUD as being a carrier of ( insert problem here )?

You appear to still be missing what I was trying to get a crosss.

And, again, no where in said post did I imply or assume, that you would be dishonest. YOU brought that up. Doth you protesteth to much? I dont know, but it would seem so. One of the things about emails, many people read into them what they either think was written or what they want to see written.

Do you, or any one for that matter, really think the geneticists are going to find a gene for CA or BEW? Just think of ALL the money they will be loosing for research, is such a link were ' found '.

This being off topic, but since you brought it up, and seem to be not convinced about all of the information that Maegan has provided, ( or is it the river thing again, DeNile? ) Where is the proof that 409 causes CA in Dashunds? You want proof of CA findings in alpacas, and then do not accept proof that is provided. I would like to see the 409 scientific proof.

It would seem that you presumed that I presumed, and that was not the case.

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>>I guess I object to the assumption some people have, that they know for fact, something, when there isn't the scientific proof. And to assumptions made about my own ethics. I really dislike that.>>

But it is very much all right that you can assume something even when facts are presented. It appears that you just elect to ignore the facts and continue to demand more facts, or in your words, scientific proof.

Jim Guerin

Jimmini Farm

Yelm, WA

----- Original Message -----

From: Heather Zeleny

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:54 PM

Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] BEW

Hi Jim,
What hit a nerve was your implication that I would raise hell if word got out that a sire of mine produced a CA cria. Your implication was that I would either be dishonest about it or that I would try to keep it quiet. That is what hit a nerve.

Your point didn't go over my head at all. I think you made an assumption on my personal ethics, that I objected to. That is what hit a nerve.

In fact, as I said, if I had such a sire, I would remove him from breeding.

But, as it is now, there is no proof as to what causes CA. The study done at OSU could not find a simple recessive genetic cause. Or cluster of genes. So, since there is no known cause, how can we really expect people to cull any animal from the genepool?

A breeder who sent some girls here for breeding has a friend who breeds dachshunds. It is apparently well known in the dachshund breeding world that cleaning with Formula 409 causes CA in dachshunds. So that strongly implies an environmental cause. Possibly with a genetic predisposition... I don't know if that has been shown to be the case.

I guess I object to the assumption some people have, that they know for fact, something, when there isn't the scientific proof. And to assumptions made about my own ethics. I really dislike that.

Heather

On Jun 23, 2009, at 10:19 AM, J Guerin wrote:

Heather, Did I hit a nerve?

If you took it as an insult, that was my point. You would be very upset if some one named your farm as a producer. What makes you think any other farm would not react the same?

Evidently the point went over your head.

I would like to direct your attention to an email you sent to me, dated 10/11/08 at 6:10pm, look at the third paragraph, fourth sentence.

My comment you are referring to below, was not a reflection on you. It was a POINT that any one that would be named PUBLICLY would get very upset, and start telling the sender, me in this case, they had been insulted.

Jim Guerin

Jimmini Farm

Yelm, WA

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