Re: [AlpacaTalk] Thought I would likr to share this with you, now Pet Peeves
Hi Don,
It is true, my sister let her domain name registration expire. It is
also true that in 2004, "stardustalpacas.
As I previously stated, my sister and mother share an AOBA membership.
That searchable farm and ranch locator on AOBA only lists those who
pay extra to be included there, so very few farms will come up on
that search feature. I know mine won't. If there's some other search
feature, please give me the link, because I can't find it.
ARI lists only my sister as owning the BREEDER ID of "stardust". Same
as I own "white lotus", and "west wind ltd". No one else is allowed
to use that in their animal naming. If you tried to reserve
"Stardust" or "Stardust Alpacas" as your breeder identifier with ARI,
you would not be able to do so.
Yeah, it's funny the way ARI applies rules sometimes, but not always.
And capriciously as well. Like when I was searching for a new farm
name because of all those other "West Wind"s, I thought "Trade Winds"
Alpacas would be a nice farm name. But they wouldn't let me reserve
that because some named a gelding "Tradewind". Lame? I think so.
You also won't find my farm name on AlpacaNation. Turns out it was a
huge waste of money.
What can I tell you about your web search, my search of "stardust
alpacas" showed many listings with "Stephanie Zeleny, Stardust
Alpacas" in the result. Pages of them.
Heather
On Feb 9, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Don Stanwyck wrote:
> Heather:
>
> It does seem that you came across again with your usual forthright
> communication style that many find offensive (I'm often accused of
> being a
> bit too blunt as well). I did a little research, and here is what I
> found.
>
> 1) ICANN says that "stardustalpacas.
> Not to anyone. (No history is available, so I can't tell if it ever
> was
> registered.)
>
> 2) AOBA has a farm name search feature, and according to that search
> neither "stardust", "stardust alpacas", "stardustalpacas"
> dust
> alpacas" is a registered AOBA farm. There is a Star Dust Ranch in
> Champlin,
> MN.
>
> 3) I tried to check with ARI but their offices are already closed
> and I
> couldn't find a farm name search feature on their site. In any
> case, there
> may be many farm names that have "star dust" as part of their name,
> so it is
> completely reasonable that other farms would have similar breeder
> IDs to
> what you say your sister reserved. Our farm name has the word
> "fleece" in
> it - should we try to bar all other farms from referring to fleece?
>
> 4) AlpacaNation doesn't show any farms with Stardust or "Star Dust" as
> the start of their farm name.
>
> 5) As a final result I did a web search for "stardust alpacas". I
> found
>
> a. There is a stardust-alpacas.
> indicate a farm name of Stardust Alpacas but has no links to AOBA,
> ARI, or
> any affiliate.
>
> b. There are a lot of alpacas that have the word "stardust" in their
> name.
>
> c. There is a Stephanie Zeleny who posted a tiny "hello" post on an
> Australian alpaca web site in July, 2007, and has "Stardust
> Alpacas" and
> "Creswell, OR" in her signature line. (This link was well into page
> 2 of
> the search results with the search engine I used - not an obvious
> match.)
>
> If I were starting a new farm today none of the normal ways of
> checking for
> a similar name would seem to indicate any collision if I chose
> Stardust
> Alpacas, Star Dust Alpacas, or anything like that other than to the
> OH farm.
> As far as I can tell your sister may have accidently copied the
> name of the
> alpaca farm in OH. I think in this case your pet peeve is misplaced.
> Certainly someone who takes exactly the same name as an existing
> farm (where
> that farm name can easily be found using the above checks) should know
> better, but you can't fault someone for taking a name they had no
> way to
> know that someone else thought they had.
>
> Don Stanwyck
>
> Carnation, WA
>
> p.s., I think it would behoove both of us to take a few courses in
> netiquette.
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:07 PM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Thought I would likr to share this with
> you, now
> Pet Peeves
>
> Sigh. Whatever.
>
> Another pet peeve is when someone tells me that what I know as fact
> is not true. Like knowing for fact that my sister reserved the
> breeder ID "Stardust" in 2004, and that she is an AOBA member, which
> Mike Sias is not as of this date. And that in 2004 she registered
> "stardustalpacas.
>
> Buh-bye then, Mike. No, actually I did not expect an apology. It was
> clear that you had no regard for group rules and nettiquette.
>
> If I'm crazy because I know what I know and I expect people to
> identify themselves on the group, and expect people to follow the
> rules that they've requested, so be it.
>
> Signed,
> Heather "Crazy" Zeleny
>
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>
>
>
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