Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Feed discussion
Oh that's hilarious Jim, well it would be if it weren't true. Ya, I'm
sure the alpacas in SA eat from raised feeders on a regular basis. :)
I'm really not trying to sell a product here. It's not cost effective
to ship for most people, and it's only formulated for our specific
region and mineral requirements (low selenium mainly).
I do want people to stop feeding that crap "they" keep selling as
livestock feed! You don't have to feed any pellet at all! High quality
hay and an alpaca vitamin/mineral mix should be sufficient for most
people. Supplement 1 lb per head per day alfalfa (lucerne) hay or
pellets for late term pregnant and lactating dams. We also like flax
seed, but be very careful that your alpacas can't access it or tragedy
can occur, as can occur with other products as well. Please refer to
the story about the grain overload at the Alpaca Research Foundation
site I posted previously.
Just educate yourself about alpacas' nutritional requirements. Have
your hay tested, feed a lose mineral supplement, and if necessary, find
a pellet that fill sin the gaps. Or find another means to fill in the
gaps. But do be very cautious about grain and by-product feeds.
Heather
On Dec 23, 2008, at 12:11 AM, J Guerin wrote:
> When I first got my herd delivered, I couldnt find alpaca feed (
> pellets ) locally, so I got Mazuri llama feed. I found it interesting
> the diameter of the llama feed, is smaller in diameter than the alpaca
> feed, Mazuri also. I called Mazuri twice, the second time I talked to
> their nutritionist, who fed me some shit about them doing a study and
> they found that the larger size, ( .265 inch in diameter, that is OVER
> 1/4 " ), caused less choke in alpacas. It was suggested I raise the
> feeders ( I do have the feeders hanging on the wall, the last one to
> choke was a baby that insists on eating off a cleaned area of the
> matted floor ). Something about the alpacas in Chile not eating off
> the ground... By then, I had tuned her out. I am sure the alpacas in
> Chile or any where for that matter ( in the ' wild ' ) eat off a
> raised feeder while grazing. The other one that had choked earlier
> this year, was a year and a half old. She prompted the first call that
> got no where.
>
> Jim Guerin
> Yelm, WA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wendy Edwards
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Feed discussion
>
>
> i had the same thing happen with the fibre - i carefully bred for
> superior fibre, then found my crias had a 26 micron count at 9 months
> and the adults i'd purchased because of their fine fibre, in one year
> were blown out to 26 - 28 microns - i was very upset and didn't know
> the cause - now i know
>
> also, i have a beauty little female who has coughed and choked
> alarmingly since i got her - always when she is eating - i thought it
> was the hay and we have changed suppliers three times - when i
> contacted the person i bought her from, she wasn't aware of this awful
> coughing and hacking - now i know where that comes from too
>
> this discussion is great - i'm learning more all the time
> wendy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Heather Zeleny
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Feed discussion
>
> Well, we know that corn and those high starch and sugar products
> increase acidity in the guy, make the gut inhospitable to the hay mat,
> cause digestive problems, ulcers...
>
> It is proven that excessive corn or starchy feeds makes ruminants
> sick.
>
> We do know that it was the pellet we used to feed to our alpacas that
> caused the perforated ulcer and the fleece blow-outs. That was the
> only
> variable.
>
> Since we've been on our new pellet, nearly all of our
> cria/weanling/
> pellet, that used to be cause for celebration, now it's the norm on
> our
> farm.
>
> We have mature males with 21µ at 5 years. Our other animals who blew
> out have regained their former fineness. Not all completely back to
> the
> prior count, since it's been a few years, but our only animals with
> 30+µ are very mature black animals. And even some of those have
> regained some fineness.
>
> So short answer, yes. It is caused by the feed.
>
> Heather
>
> On Dec 21, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Steve wrote:
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> > So corn, then I'm assuming, causes fiber blowout? Is that the idea?
> > What sort of other things can cause this???
> >
> > Steve!
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