Re: [AlpacaTalk] Breed differences
I have read the Snowmass brochures, and I do believe them. But they are
measuring individual fibers and their curve, which is described as
crinkle when it's not visible to the naked eye, and not "well
organized."
On Aug 12, 2008, at 9:54 PM, Radched@aol.
> But Heather, if you believe the information in the Snowmass brochure
> #2, vicuna has extreme crimp. They describe vicuna as having curvature
> between 50 and 90 degree. Not much different than their crimpy merino
> and Inca type huacayas, with curvatures between 40 and 70. An animal
> "devoid" of crimp would be suri, which still can have curvature up to
> 30 degrees.
>
> Heidi Christensen
> WingNut Farm Alpacas
> Graham WA
> (253) 846-2168 or (253) 592-0200
> www.wingnut-
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwind
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> Sent: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 7:38 pm
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Breed differences
>
> Wow, what a great line of thought! We don't judge suri and huacaya
> together, why judge all the types of huacaya against each other?
> Excellent point! It's also well acknowledged that there are different
> types of suri and huacaya fleece, why not celebrate them all and
> promote each type for its qualities?
>
> I hear spinners all the time say that they don't especially want
> crimpy
> alpaca fleece. Eric Hoffman has some great articles about huacaya
> fiber, vicuña fiber, and this new sheep model that many are now
> pushing
> on the rest of us. In essence, Hoffman says that since it has been
> proven that alpacas were domesticated from vicuñas, who have no
> visible
> crimp but what is described as "crinkle," that it makes no sense to
> chase a sheep standard for our alpaca fleece. Those who push the
> "crimp
> makes superior fleece" argument als
> o claim that well organized crimp
> equals higher fleece density and a greater follicle per sq mm and also
> a greater s/p ratio... yet vicuñas who have a much higher follicle
> density and s/p ratio than most alpacas are devoid of crimp!
>
> I'm a conspiracy nut, so it looks to me as though the powers that be
> (those in charge of the AOBA judging program) are pushing their
> breeding standard and breeding program on the rest of us, just as they
> tried to push the breed standard on us!
>
> Heather
>
> On Aug 12, 2008, at 7:10 PM, susanschardt wrote:
>
> > I am seeing lots and lots of interest in Peruvian animals. The
> peruvian
> > fiber characteristics seem to be the standard that all are measured
> > against. There is a real difference in the characteristics in
> chilean
> > vs peruvian fiber. As a spinner I really don't like the tight super
> > crimp and bundle of the peruvians. A long stapled with crinkle,
> silky
> > with very little bundle is perfect in my spinners eyes - exactly
> what
> > you find in full chileans.
> >
> > In other types of animals each breed has its own standards to be
> > judged
> > agains - poodles don't compete against Germn Shepards - so why do we
> > compare Peruvians to Chileans and Bolivians?
> >
> > Susan
> > Borrowed Pastures
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