Re: [AlpacaTalk] Lies and fabrications
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On Jan 2, 2008, at 10:05 AM, libby@alpacafarm.
>
>
> Heather said: "Well, Libby, I am also thankful that I am not on the
> board
> of an organization that sees fit to go through so much to hide what
> they're
> doing from their membership..
>
> After being confronted to prove what she just said, Heather said: "I
> obviously have no personal knowledge, I only know what I saw in one
> post from a concerned AOBA member which brought this current scandal
> to
> light... and the scandal brought into the open by the "intervenors" a
> few years ago... Something is rotten in Denmark."
No Libby. Anyone can see if they are not trying to divert attention
away from the real issue, is that very few people knew about this
development. I only read about it a few days ago. This is the biggest
stinking pile of claptrap I've seen come from the AOBA board in, oh, 4
years. And I am seriously considering contacting the Tennessee Attorney
General myself to have this thing investigated. But Jerry probably went
to college with him so maybe that would get those who are very
concerned about this nowhere.
>
> My response: So, in spite of the fact that you have no proof of any
> wrongdoing whatsoever, and in spite of what has been disclosed since
> and
> Amy's apology, it isn't stopping you from fabricating stories (polite
> way
> of saying you are lying) and harming good people. Perhaps if people
> did to
> you what you are doing to others you might feel differently about this
> approach?
>
> Heather said: "...and so far to create a for-profit organisation that
> does
> not have to answer to AOBA BOD, who will be perfectly free to divert
> important funds from AOBA and pay its
> directors generous salaries."
It's still not legal for the boardmembers of a Non-Profit to also sit
on the board of a For-Profit which they have created. Wasn't legal,
isn't legal. Who think they won't get salaries? Who thinks the profits
from this spin-off will go to benefit the AOBA membership as a whole?
>
> After being confronted to prove what she said, Heather said: "I don't
> know that either, but a FOR PROFIT company will without doubt PAY its
> board very generously, and those are funds which in the past had gone
> to
> support AOBA activities. Now we'll be paying ALC directors huge
> salaries
> and bonuses (we already pay someone at AOBA nice commissions on ad
> sales!
> Was everyone aware of that?) and we'll be paying more for our AM and
> FRG
> program and Herdsire Edition ads, and even more for that wonderful
> "benefactor" program! Don't believe me? Just wait and watch!"
>
> My response: "So again no facts, no proof of any wrong doing...just
> attacking people on things that "might happen," making assumption
> after
> assumption." You KNOW all this will happen because your crystal ball
> is so
> powerful?" In spite of the fact that none of these people have ever
> done
> anything like this before, you feel comfortable making these
> accusations as
> if they are a foregone conclusion?
Like I said, wait and watch.
>
> Heather said: "...(we already pay someone at AOBA nice commissions on
> ad
> sales! Was everyone aware of that?)
>
> My response: So, I take the bait....if we are paying someone at AOBA
> nice
> commissions on ad sales, who is getting these big commissions on ad
> sales??
> Tell me...a staff member? A Board member? Tell me....WHO? How much? Or
> is this all untrue as well?
All one has to do is read the P&L statements to see that this is true.
I did not fabricate that! Nice try. I don't know who is receiving those
commissions, but someone is, it's on the P&L statements! Don't make
yourself a fool in trying to discredit me when I'm only quoting figures
I saw n AOBA's own financial records! Give the readers a little bit of
credit!
>
> This exercise with you, Heather, was important for me because I now
> know
> that you will do and say anything to make people look bad and win your
> "argument." This site seems to be just a way for you to spread rumors
> and
> fear. This is important information for me to know as I consider your
> future posts and your role as moderator of this site.
> Too bad you don't volunteer more so that you can really appreciate
> how all
> of your conspiracy theories feel to people trying to work for all of
> us.
>
> As for the names of the 15 benefactors and your refusal to answer that
> question which resulted from your post....Ya know, it doesn't matter
> to me
> which benefactors did or did not write to you. What mattered to me is
> finding out if you really had back up for your comments or if you
> were just
> making it up like so many of the others things you have made up.
> Since you
> refuse to answer even this most simple of questions, I have to assume
> that
> like your other examples, it is a fabrication.
Libby, I have received ads and more ads and yet even more ads from
those people who have the memberships directory in the Excel database.
Stop with this frigging stupid line of interrogation, everyone
including me has received those email ads. You all know it.
>
> I think we have beaten this conversation to death on Alpaca Talk and
> I now
> understand your agenda. However, I will continue to ask questions
> about
> bold statements you make. With this in mind, I ask again, who at AOBA
> is
> getting nice commissions on ad sales since that is a "scandal" raised
> by
> you that I have not yet put to rest in my mind and I would like to
> hear
> more. So, who is it and how much are they getting????
Agian, Libby, I don't who this salesperson is, but the last page of the
Alpacas Magazine P&L Statement for the 2nd qtr 2007 (the last one
available) shows this:
Advertising Sales Commisssions YTD $34,673.97
Who gets this? I don't have this information, but it certainly appears
that someone does.
>
> Thanks,
> Libby
>
>
>
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