Re: [Alpacasite] Re: Senior Judges & Llamas

Angie - I believe the problem lies with the belief that alpaca judges should
have a high level of integrity and what this thread is pointing out is that the
two individuals in question have not exhibited this level.

If enough individuals feel that these two should not be recertified, then a
petition to AOBA should be circulated.

It's up to AOBA members to do whatever they think is the ethical thing to do.

Any members who are relative newcomers to the alpaca world and who care to know
the facts can ask any of their associates who have been AOBA members for the
last 5 or 6 years for the facts as they know them.

Or they can access the alpacasite archives.

Or they can ask Ken Madl for his take on it. (kenneth.madl@prodigy.net)

jandavis@derwyddalpacas.com
esparto CA 530-787-0007

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:24:47 -0000, Angie Gray wrote:
>Just out of curiosity, what are we trying to accomplish with this
>thread? If we are just puting information out there so everyone knows
>what is going on, thank you ...point taken. If we're trying to stir it
>up and start something, that's when alpacapolitics may come in handy.
> For those of us who were barely starting out three years ago and
>don't really know what happened, it's hard to understand the reasoning
>behind posts such as these.
>
>Angie Gray
>Starlight Alpacas
>Eugene, Oregon
>
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>--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, "Moon Spinner Alpaca"
><moonspinneralpaca@m...> wrote:
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>> Why is it Madl is willing to name names(implying that Madl is
>protecting someone else?) but so many others just imply that there
>might be a problem, instead of just naming the individuals.
>>
>> Jerome
>> Moon Spinner Alpaca
>> Copperopolis Ca 95228
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kenneth E. Madl<mailto:kenneth.madl@p...>
>> To: Alpaca Discussion Forum<mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Senior Judges & Llamas
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>> On Sat Dec 3, 2005, Neil wrote:
>>
>> > Love your husbandry quotes Ken. Why not keep the politics
>> > where it belongs.
>>
>>
>> Because I guess I'm just not smart enough to see how ethics
>> violations, and the future of our alpaca industry is the same thing
>> as politics.
>>
>> As I pointed out, ALSA makes clear that "Judges must at all times
>> exhibit the highest standard of integrity and professionalism." In
>> an editorial, "Llama Life II" wrote:
>>
>> "Being a judge, being on the board of a registry, being a
>> veterinarian, being a breeder of influence -- these all carry heavy
>> burdens of responsibility. Breaking those trusts should carry an
>> equally heavy penalty if the industry expects to be taken seriously."
>>
>> I am disappointed that AOBA doesn't require the same standard of
>> integrity, but perhaps if enough people were concerned that could
>> change.
>>
>> Ken Madl
>> Aviana Farms
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