alpacas: RE: [Alpacasite] Oops

Tim,

There are dishonest people in all walks of life and who raise all types of
animals. I raise both llamas and alpacas. We recently had a little male
llama born on our farm from a female we purchased in April as a maiden. It
would have been very easy to just "name" a desirable sire. We have drawn
blood and are insisting on DNA verification of his sire. It is easier to
cheat in the llama world, but people who are "of that ilk" will find a way
regardless. Perhaps not on parentage, but in some other way they will
cheat. On the other hand, there are people in this world who will not cheat
even when given a prime opportunity. The ILR also gives an option to be
honest and register this sort of occurrence as a "Crossbreed". The llama
world has no respect for people who crossbreed and claim that the result is
a suri llama, the exception is those that are just in it for the money. I
believe that any time you are dealing with lives and are just in it for the
money, you need to take a good hard look at your values. I am proud of my
ethics.

Gayle Dumas

Alpacas, Argentines & Minis.Oh My!

www.thefuzzyfarm.com <http://www.thefuzzyfarm.com/>

Gloucester, VA

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From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Wilson
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:56 PM
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Oops - bred to llama

Anona,

Let me say first that I do not own llamas but I do own suri alpacas but
DO NOT breed any of my suri alpacas to llamas.

That having been said I do not know the intricate details of the ILR and
how it relates to the suri llama business but if recent activities are
any indication then registering your huarizo as a llama would not be the
first time this has happened and is likely to be rather easy. As I
understand it the ILR does not require blood testing and there is no
requirement to verify what someone put on the registration. I know my
comments will offend some/many llama breeders but the practice of
breeding suri alpacas to llamas and then registering the huarizo
offspring as "pure" suri llamas is rather rampant these days. Just look
in many of the trade magazines. If you think these offspring are from
suri llamas and not huarizo crosses I think one is being a bit naive.
Also, one only has to look at the recent public spectacle of the well
know brouhaha of a well known breeder that was caught trying to register
a huarizo as a llama. It's happening and no one seems to be doing
anything about it in the llama industry (from my perspective - I confess
I am not active in llamas and changes may be underway but are not
obvious to the outside world).

Unfortunately you are caught in the middle. You bought an alpaca and
expected an alpaca offspring and got a huarizo. Since the male of choice
has been sold I would expect at least that the selling farm pay to send
you female to this male, pay for the outside breeding (if applicable)
and pay for the return trip on the female. I would also ask for
compensation on the lost year of production.

Sound to me that you need a good lawyer. Unfortunately this is likely to
be the course of action should you expect to be compensated for your loss.

Sorry you have been taken advantage of. I hope it works out.

Tim Wilson
Sterling Forrest Alpacas
Chagrin Falls, OH

Anona Tase wrote:

>Hello, my questions are: Can the half alpaca, half llama cria be
registered
>in the Llama registry? And can it be marketed to sell in the Llama
industry
>to recoup on your one year production *loss*?
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>I don't own a llama nor have I dealt with the llama registry. However this
>would be the avenue I'd investigate if it were me in your shoes (and I hope
>you are a size 8 ~smiling~).
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>Anona Tase
>HC 65 Box 6012
>Romney, WV 26757
>304-822-6065
>http://www.alpacasundertherainbow.com
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