Re: [Alpacasite] Help! Safe-guard question

I've found the easiest way to dose with Safeguard is to use the liquid suspension (10%) and a dosing or feeder syringe. Simple, no spitting the paste back out at me!. Take care, Jane Levene

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> Actually, they are the same product made by the same company.
> I ran into a company rep at a feed store, he told me that Safeguard was for
> over the counter, and Panacur was supposed to sold to vets only.
> That way, if a vet came out to worm a horse, the owner wouldn't complain of
> the cost for the same wormer that they could buy for less at the local feed
> store.
> I'll guess you have the small 25 ml tubes, the dial ring goes to 1000.
> Now, using the 1ml/10 lb you have enough to treat 250lbs of alpaca.
> 250 lb alpaca, the whole tube (and diet and exercise)
> 200 lb alpaca, would equal 20 ml, turn the dial to 800
> 150 lb, turn the dial to 600 and you're giving 15 ml
>
> Rick
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> > From: "Jay Ward"
> > Reply-To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:51:17 -0500
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: [Alpacasite] Help! Safe-guard question
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I knew that both Panacur & Safe-Guard were both Fenbendazole based but
> > understood or apparently misunderstood that they were given at different
> > doses.
> >
> > Can you extend the math further to the use of the weight ring on the
> > application tubes?
> >
> > Jay & Julie Ward
> > AuSable Valley Alpacas
> > 57 Howard Heights Ln.
> > Jay, NY 12941
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> > hosting a Steve Hull seminar June 2006:
> > www.AuSableValleyAlpacas.com/current%20seminar.htm
> >
> > Jay,
> > Panacur and Safe-Guard are both brand names for the chemical named
> > fenbendazole (they are the same). This typically comes as a 10%
> > paste. The correct dose is 20 mg/kg which, after all the math, comes
> > out to 1 ml per ten lbs of alpaca (or llama).
> >
> > Steve H.
> >
> >
> > At 12:30 AM 11/25/2005, you wrote:
> >> Steve,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Does the "triple the weight" dose work for Panacur?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jay & Julie Ward
> >> AuSable Valley Alpacas
> >> 57 Howard Heights Ln.
> >> Jay, NY 12941
> >> 518-524-0545 (cell)
> >> 518-946-7640 (home)
> >> www.alpacanation.com/ausablevalley.asp
> >> www.ausablevalleyalpacas.com
> >> alpaca equipment available at www.LightLivestockEquipment.com
> >>
> >> hosting a Steve Hull seminar June 2006:
> >> www.AuSableValleyAlpacas.com/current%20seminar.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Steve Hull, TimberLake Farms. Inc
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 2:14 PM
> >> To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Help! Safe-guard question
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The dose "of tripling the weight" is the wrong Safe-guard dose - too
> >>
> >> low. The correct dose of the 10% paste is one ml of the paste per
> >>
> >> ten lbs of alpaca. Three consecutive days is exactly correct.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve H.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 08:55 AM 11/24/2005, you wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi, Christine:
> >>
> >>> Here's a general rule of thumb for dosing with Safeguard. Take your
> >>
> >>> alpacas weight, and TRIPLE it, and use that guide on the paste
> >>
> >>> tube. So, if your alpaca weighs 150 lbs, dose for 450 lbs. If
> >>
> >>> you're not sure of weights, dose a bit higher - much better in this
> >>
> >>> case to overdose than underdose. Also, you must do this for 3
> >>
> >>> consecutive days. I am assuming that they were fecal tested, and
> >>
> >>> Safeguard is the prescribed medication.
> >>
> >>> Have a wonderful Thanksgiving - I'm off to see Mom and Dad now, myself!
> >>
> >>> Barbara Zachary
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> >>> Atascadero, CA
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> >>> Hello and Happy Thankgiving,
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> >>> I just had my alpacas delivered last night, my breeder gave me so much
> >>
> >>> information...my head is reelling.
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> >>> But anyway, she told my that 2 of my pregnant females need to be given
> >>
> >>> Safe-guard because of worms but couldn't remember the dose. Could
> >>
> >>> someone give that to me? I have Dr. Evans Field Manual, but that says
> >>
> >>> 9.1 mg/lb, but that doesn't tell me how many turns of the dial. What
> >>
> >>> kind of worm does that take care of?
> >>
> >>> Also, my yearling female has emeria? (sp) and has been prescribed
> >>
> >>> Albon twice daily. Can anyone tell me about these parasites?
> >>
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