[Alpacasite] Oops - bred to llama

The only requirement is if the sire has over 10 offspring, he must be blood typed. Believe me, all the ethical breeders have been asking for DNA testing, but ILR is afraid that some small breeders couldn't afford it. I just submitted and article to a llama magazine about exactly what you are saying. Anyone who thinks these "suri llamas" magically appeared and that they are not huarizos needs to take a basic genetics course.

Debi Garvin
Pacific Rim Consulting, Inc.
Cabernet Creek Farms
Home of 2005 MW male and HW female Western Regional Grand Champions

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From: Tim Wilson
To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 11/28/2005 7:14:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Oops - bred to llama

Camille,

While I don't raise llamas I fully agree with you but as you and I know
MANY/MOST are not registering them as mixes. Is there any push in the
llama industry to require your registrations to be blood tested like
alpacas? Sure would cut out the shenanigans pretty quick.

Tim Wilson
Sterling Forrest Alpacas
Chagrin Falls, OH

Pleasant View Farm wrote:

>Please, if you are going to register your animal, register it as a mix, not a llama. I've raised llamas since 1991. I would NOT register a huarizo as a llama, but as a mix.
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> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Oops - bred to llama
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> Anona,
>
> Let me say first that I do not own llamas but I do own suri alpacas but
> DO NOT breed any of my suri alpacas to llamas.
>
> That having been said I do not know the intricate details of the ILR and
> how it relates to the suri llama business but if recent activities are
> any indication then registering your huarizo as a llama would not be the
> first time this has happened and is likely to be rather easy. As I
> understand it the ILR does not require blood testing and there is no
> requirement to verify what someone put on the registration. I know my
> comments will offend some/many llama breeders but the practice of
> breeding suri alpacas to llamas and then registering the huarizo
> offspring as "pure" suri llamas is rather rampant these days. Just look
> in many of the trade magazines. If you think these offspring are from
> suri llamas and not huarizo crosses I think one is being a bit naive.
> Also, one only has to look at the recent public spectacle of the well
> know brouhaha of a well known breeder that was caught trying to register
> a huarizo as a llama. It's happening and no one seems to be doing
> anything about it in the llama industry (from my perspective - I confess
> I am not active in llamas and changes may be underway but are not
> obvious to the outside world).
>
> Unfortunately you are caught in the middle. You bought an alpaca and
> expected an alpaca offspring and got a huarizo. Since the male of choice
> has been sold I would expect at least that the selling farm pay to send
> you female to this male, pay for the outside breeding (if applicable)
> and pay for the return trip on the female. I would also ask for
> compensation on the lost year of production.
>
> Sound to me that you need a good lawyer. Unfortunately this is likely to
> be the course of action should you expect to be compensated for your loss.
>
> Sorry you have been taken advantage of. I hope it works out.
>
> Tim Wilson
> Sterling Forrest Alpacas
> Chagrin Falls, OH
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> Anona Tase wrote:
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> >Hello, my questions are: Can the half alpaca, half llama cria be registered
> >in the Llama registry? And can it be marketed to sell in the Llama industry
> >to recoup on your one year production *loss*?
> >
> >I don't own a llama nor have I dealt with the llama registry. However this
> >would be the avenue I'd investigate if it were me in your shoes (and I hope
> >you are a size 8 ~smiling~).
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