Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help, I need advice on replacing my girls after the dog attack.
I would have to agree that I am not sure why all the girls were bred to the same sire. This really can tank a program if you don't have a large number of animals due to the fact that now your crias would all be half related. While this may have been a good selling point in their eyes, I really think it is something that might actually hurt.
I have to STRONGLY but respectfully disagree here. While it may seem like I am biased due to the fact that we breed a large portion of Chileans, we also have very nice and highly sought-after Peruvians. DO NOT let the fact that they are Chilean keep you from buying them unless there are underlying genetic issues. Even then, that has nothing to do with the fact they are Chilean, just strictly some bloodline that may have produced a genetic and nasty flaw. I lived in OH and bounce back and forth quite often as it is my second state of "residence". I was going to move my animals out there upon first arriving there Nov but money prevented this from happening. I did market my boys out in the area though; ALL but 3 are full Chilean, 2 are full Bolivian and one is half Peruvian, half Chilean. We had farms in IN, MI, PA, and even in OH very strongly ask that our males be shipped to OH so they could have their girls brought down to a meeting farm and have them bred. What made it even crazier was they wanted 3 of my full Chilean boys. After talking to several farms about the "marketing issue" that supposedly foots the Chileans, a vast majority of them said it didn't matter what they had in their background as far as country of origin, it was what they presented themselves, and what they throw. Hence Alpacas de la Patagonia with all of his Chileans and the mass success he has had across the US with many, many farms. Some of those farms had kept their farms fully Peruvian up until they bought a line or two out of that farm.
Also, what many people have to realize is that many of the bloodlines that back this mass marketing and selling "appeal" are very largely integrated into many bloodlines and will end up bottle-necking our genetics to a severe degree not to mention may not be the best bloodlines due to producing congenital defects. I don't know about you, but if I am going to want to breed alpacas for a good amount of time to come, I don't want to be inbreeding and line breeding my animals to the point of turning them into cattle along the lines of birthing issues and even more genetic problems than what already stands with Choanal Atresia and blue eyes. I think if anyone is going to have to restart a program, they might want to start with something that have room to work with, not something they have to start looking across country to try to find breedings and different lines for.
Wendy, if you want to buy good animals, go with your gut feeling. People can give you their opinion, but as you can see, many are going to have to base it on what they are looking as far as how "appealing" they might be based on Peruvian or Accoyo lines. Do not let anything be the deciding factor other than what you want to see in your program and what is going to throw best for you. Marketing and "appeal" is a good point but I think you will find that with many farms, if you have impressive animals and a good ribbon or two, you will do just fine.
Warmest Regards,
Maegan Blessing
Business Manager
Cedar Grove Alpacas, LLC
www.alpacanation.
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From: "Bluebird Hills Farm" <bluebirdhills@
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Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:14:13 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Help, I need advice on replacing my girls after the dog attack.
Wendy, at first blush, I am leaning toward Twin Peaks. You appear to be getting more for your money with them. I must say that I am not sure why all the alpacas have been bred to the same sires. In regards to Twin Peaks, their sire has a more well known pedigree, so that may prove to be an advantage, both in outcome and in marketing.
It is close to impossible to assess the conformation from the pictures and certainly not possible to ascertain what their fiber is like, but at least there are some micron counts listed on the herdsire Bella (Twin Peaks).
The other issue is the Chilean portion of their pedigrees. Unfortunately, here in the east everyone wants full Peruvian, so marketing in the future might be less of a problem with the Twin Peaks than with the Bennington, just because they have more Peruvian in them. I don't agree with the prejudice, but from a marketing perspective, you need to know that it exists.
So I guess I would go with the Twin Peaks package. There are no glaring issues with either group, just think that the fiber and pedigrees are stronger with the Twin Peaks group. Hope this is helpful.
Laurel
The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
Springfield, Ohio
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.
bluebirdhills@
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> Thank you for your help.? The packages are on alpacanation.
> Twin Peaks Alpacas for $6000.00 and one is at Bennington Alpacas for
> $7000.00. Twin peaks is Godfathers Pachino, Faik's Grace, Faiks Moselle,
> Viac Dark Miss and Viac Samantha.? Bennington Alpacas is Eulalie, Lavinia,
> Lavinias black female cria, and Diamond. Please let me know your opinion.
> I need to figure this out by Friday. Thanks again for your help.
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> Wendy
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