alpacas: Re: [AlpacaTalk] CA

I agree Heather,

It is definitely not cut and dry on when to cull and when not to. However, in the case of a female that has thrown 3 CA crias, sadly, in my opinion, it is time to cull. Likewise, depending on what "disastrous" means, the sire, "Joe" should also probably be culled, especially if disastrous means CA crias. In my opinion this is not baseball where 3 strikes gets you out. I could possibly forgive one strike, but 2 strikes would absolutely get you out of my breeding program and put on the companion animal, non-breeder list and the certificate at transfer would reflect that. ( I would also be sending blood to Andy Merriwether).

For again, if I had a "Joe" or the dam that has had 3 CA cria, I would worry about selling the next healthy cria she had, or the next breeding to Joe, and not worry about some legal ramifications if something goes wrong. In the least, one's reputation as an honest and ethical breeder could come into question.

If we all have clauses in our breeding contracts that ask the question "Do you know of any congenital problems with your dam (or sire), its ancestors, or its cria", you have an opportunity to discuss these issues if they exist and come to a logical conclusion/agreement.

If the question is never asked, the discussion may never take place.

Rule number one here at Bluebird Hills is to never compromise our integrity / reputation or the integrity / reputation of our alpacas.

Laurel

The Shouvlins
Bluebird Hills Farm
Springfield, Ohio
937-206-3936
www.bluebirdhills.com
bluebirdhills@voyager.net

> Laurel,
> The last cria was born to this dam last year. I have no idea if she's
> been bred again. I've only met this person a couple of times and
> really only know this story because I was told by the sire owner. And
> apparently this breeder has had quite a bit of bad luck. He has some
> females with certain sires in their pedigrees twice, which he
> attributes to some of his bad luck. His dam with the 3 CA crias had
> different lines than his "linebred" females. By the way, I only know
> this much from searching ARI.
>
> The first case I spoke about, the sire in question has almost 50
> registered offspring in 3 years of breeding and is owned by numerous
> partners. He is still being promoted and I'm sure breedings are being
> sold. I'm sure that number will increase by at least a dozen when the
> '09 crias are registered. Will all of those owners be told that the
> sire has thrown a CA cria? How many has he produced? I doubt that it
> will ever be disclosed.
>
> I was told by another breeder that she had a sire, we'll call Joe,
> with a particular import sire in his background, and 2 breedings with
> 2 different dams were disastrous. I don't know the name of her sire,
> she didn't tell me. She did not specify what those disastrous results
> were, and honestly, I can't really say that the import sire should be
> held responsible. I don't even know that the import sire was Joe's
> sire, could have been grandsire or great grandsire. What about the
> other animals in Joe's lineage? Joe's dam might have had the bad
> genes, not the import sire.
>
> So you see, this is not so easy to tell people "Your really should
> cull any animal that has had a relative with CA." Who knows where it
> came from, in the lineage?
>
>
> Heather

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