[AlpacaTalk] worming, etc was Re: Merry Morning
<<<<Since she's already 4 days old, the umbilicus ought to be ok,
especially with the goldenseal dip. I hate to admit, sometimes we
don't get the dip done, and we haven't had problems because of that.>>>>
Well that's a relief to hear! I didn't really do a dip with the
goldenseal tho. It was a very diluted spray leftover from spraying one
of my girl's ears. It happened to still be out there so I grabbed it.
Most of it just rolled off as she was squirming around. But it has been
covered up with the coat since evening 2, so I am hoping it is ok in
there. What would it look like if it is not?
<<<<I would reconsider your M-worm strategy, though. From what I've heard
lately, Dectomax isn't considered as effective as Ivomec, and it
should be administered every month without fail. Safeguard is not
effective against M-worm at all, it's only for intestinal parasites.>>
Hmmmm. That is totally different from what Dr Evans says in his manual.
He says that Ivermec only is good for 4 wks (and stings), but Decto
is good for 6wks and doesn't sting???? I also recall Marty McGee saying
that Ivermec stings when I was at one of her clinics. My feed store is
ordering Dectomax for me first thing Mon AM (there have been no orders
over the holidays). The smallest bottle I can get is 100ml which will
last me 1-2 yrs for my small herd (depending on whether I just give in
the winter or year round. According to Doc Evans Nov-Feb is the highest
risk time so that is what I ahve been trying to focus on, but here it is
Jan already, sigh. And with all the rain I am concerned the snail
population is likely way up, and there have been a lot of deer around
their pastures this fall, more so than usual.....in my blueberry
field:-(. I am counting on those ducks and guineas to take care of the
snails, but am not comfortable totally relying on that. I am going to
get start with the injections as soon as I can get the supplies in. I
need more needles as well and have to go back and look up that long
conversation we had about sizes so I can purchase when I go to pick up
the Dectomax. I wonder if Ivermec is less expensive? That would be a
consideration for me. I remember Marty said if using Ivermec to use a
different syringe to draw up (and leave it in the bottle) and a fresh
one to inject so the liquid won't be on the tip of the needle and cause
that stinging as soon as the needle pierces the skin. I actually do
that anyway with the Dectomax.
And yeh, I know that Safeguard is only for intestinal parasites. I
guess I was just commenting that I need to do both and the baby has no
residual protection as mama hasn't rec'd either. I am planning to
switch over to granules but still haven't had time to sit down and
figure out the dosage, and how much to purchase. I assume you dose the
same as the paste? At 5 times the horse dosage? and for 5 days? Do
they eat it ok mixed in with their food? I feed mine separately so I
would know noone is eating someone elses. I am just concerned that my
picky eaters might turn up their noses if they can taste the granules?
Can some of you that use the Safeguard granules tell me what dosage you
use - how much for how long? My feed store has it in bulk for cattle -
22.7 mg per # and it is $1.65 per#. So I need to know how many #s to
buy. It is used at a rate of 1# per 1000#cattle, according to the feed
store.
Also, I will be pricing the Ivermec vs Dectomax first thing Mon AM.
Would the Ivermec be given at the same dosage as the Dectomax? Dect is
given at 1CC per 50-70#. I don't have a scale to get an accurate wt,
just a tape. Mine guys all range in the low 100#s - like 105# to 140#
the last time I measured them. So I generally just give about 2cc to
them all every 6 wks; a tad more to the heaviest one and a tad less to
the smallest one. I think tho given how late a start I am getting this
winter, I will work to dose them once a month for the rest of the winter
anyway.
<<<<So exciting to have a new cria! Who do you think the sire is, then?
Oooo, that reminds me, I have to get my boy registered soon!
Best wishes to you, and congratulations!
Heather>>>>
Thanks Heather! It really is exciting - especially to have one *I*
don't have to feed and hopefully won't have to bury. And to have a GIRL
WOOHOO! I only have the one stud, so he has to be the daddy LOL. He
is quite small. I have had him for about 3 or 4 yrs but he is fairly
shy and retiring. The girls have been dominating him all along. I
guess he finally figured out how to woo this girl :-).....but they never
let on and I didn't have a clue. I have seen him chase her around a
good bit, but have never seen her stop running from him. I have never
ever seen him even look at my Allie girl. She is the head of the herd,
and my first alpaca, since my previous stud died 2 yrs ago. He is just
SO fascinated with this baby. It is like he can't believe he actually
did it! He stays right with mama and baby nearly all the time. I never
saw my other stud do this.
Warmly, Janice
PS Since I have never had a baby be so fearful of humans before what is
the recommendation? Spend more hands on time - or less? I am torn
between wanting one that is easier to handle than the ones I bought as
adults and clearly were never handled vs wanting to respect their space
and desire to be left alone. I am wondering if the skittishness is
because there were no humans around for the first several hours of her
life? Usually I am right there, handling the baby immediately as I
usually have to stimulate and rub down with a towel to dry off and get
off the rest of the placenta adhering to various parts. This was clean,
dry and up and running by the time she was discovered. And the placenta
was much smaller than I am used to seeing. Do they shrink up as the
hours go by? Oh, also what do you all do with your placentas? Being an
organic gardener my first thought was to bury it in the garden. But
after the first baby years ago my vet said not to do that, that there
was no way to bury it deep enough to not attract coyotes; he also said
to get it out of the pasture asap for the same reason. So I have just
been bagging and putting in the truck (covered) to take to the dump with
the rest of my trash. Seems like such a waste?
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