Re: [AlpacaTalk] Let them eat cake.
Don,
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. I never implied that AOBA set affiliate
sponsored show stalling fees. I am fairly confident that AOBA sets the
fees for Nationals, though.
Right right right...whatever, not making money. I saw the annual
reports (for some reason my fingers typed "preposterous" instead of
"report" the first time around!). Looks like they were always making
money to me.
I have seen many livestock shows that were not county fairs with
stalling fees of $25 and entry fees of $15, and some of those shows pay
premiums, too! As a matter of fact, I have seen an alpaca show with
ALSA judges with $25 or $50 stalling fees and $25 entry fees. It was
held in a mid-western state in 2007 or 2008. You will not find in the
AOBA site, of course. It wasn't the triple crown, I'm pretty sure it
was in Missouri or maybe Kansas...
Most of our AOBA certified judges are not making a living judging
shows. I would raise a huge stink if I thought that our show fees were
paying salaries for a judging system that was created by... Ok, I'll
stop right there. No, the AOBA judges have real jobs. There aren't
enough shows to support all of the judges.
I am also an unpaid volunteer, and I am trying to find ways to make our
very small AOBA certified show more accessible to more breeders, while
increasing our fundraising net totals for our affiliate.
Please at least criticise what I really said.
Heather
On Nov 10, 2008, at 10:26 PM, Don Stanwyck wrote:
> Heather:
>
> As a recent affiliate board member and (until last week) a member of
> the
> Affiliate Congress, I want to correct a few minor errors in your post.
>
> 1) Stall fees and show entry fees are set by the show sponsor (local
> affiliate), not by AOBA. As one who has helped create a budget for a
> show,
> I assure you that most shows in our industry charge over $200/stall
> because
> their cost structures require that just to cover expenses.
>
> 2) The federal government required AOBA to spin off the for-profit
> organization, not because they were making money (they weren't), but
> because
> of the kinds of activities they were involved in and how they related
> to the
> charter. I think there are those who were closer to the action on
> this who
> can provide more detailed comment if you need it.
>
> 3) I've never seen a livestock show where the stall fees were $25
> other
> than my local county fair - and it didn't have to lease the
> facilities, pay
> judges, etc., because the fairgrounds had already been paid for by my
> taxes
> and the judges were 4H volunteers, not trained, certified, judges who
> make
> their livings judging shows.
>
> I agree that the alpaca industry has long been centered around the
> idea that
> alpaca farmers had money to spend. That was part of the image many
> people
> bought into when they bought their alpacas. After all, sell a $30,000
> alpaca and you can cover a lot of show stall fees, advertisements and
> sponsorships. Most of us have never sold an alpaca for $30,000 (or
> anything
> close to it) but we may well have paid that much for one, so now for
> us the
> prices seem rather out of line because reality is setting in.
>
> As an AOBA member you d0 have every right to complain. Please make
> sure
> your complaints are based on facts, not rumors, and that you direct
> them to
> the ears of the AOBA board members. They have been elected to guide
> our
> organization, and they need to hear from every member that has an
> opinion
> about how things are going. But don't get too hard on them - they
> serve as
> unpaid volunteers who do what they do because they believe in this
> industry.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don Stanwyck
>
> Carnation, WA
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