Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
Denise,
I hate to bust your balloon but it really is a rule in ARI Policies and
Procedures 04-04 "Alpaca Names"
PROCEDURE
Alpaca names must begin with a letter or digit and must have 35 or fewer
characters including punctuation, breeder identifiers and spaces. Special
characters and symbols will not be allowed.
It is NOT poorly designed software. Naming of alpacas continues to be a
challenge in this industry but the naming rules are pretty clear and defined for
all to see.
Personally, I don't think you would be happy if ARI allowed me to take one
of your registered animals names and insert an apostrophe or dash in the name
somewhere and then accept it as valid for one of my animals. That would be a
very slippery slope, once started.
Where would YOU draw that line in the sand?
Bruce Beatty, President
ARI Board
In a message dated 11/23/2008 9:34:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
D.Mossfritch@
Heather,
I doubt lack of accepting an apostrophe is an ARI rule as much as poorly
designed software. The error message I received said I had used and illegal
character, the apostrophe, when identifying L'Etoille's name.
For example, software design problems I frequently see is with a hyphenated
married name. Insurance agencies, credit cards, even various levels of
government use software that is not designed to accept a hyphen in a
surname. Another example is gender (or sex). Most software, even on printed
forms, identify only two genders - female and male. The software designed by
the medical device company where I work (radiation treatment for cancer)
identifies six genders, including "unknown" and "not identified". A couple
of years ago we heard a lot about Y2K, yet a two digit vs. four digit date
is minor compared to some software limits I see today.
What concerns me is if the alpaca industry is to use EDPs, the information
needed to make decision must be recordable. If we do not have database
software that will accept the data we wish to use to make decisions, how
will we be able to make informed decisions?
Best,
Denise
Denise L. Moss-Fritch
New Moon Alpacas
Santa Clara, CA
From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:19 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
That's aggravating.
You know, I think they're making up rules as they go, and enforcing
them as they interpret them at any given time.
Margaret Brewster, a Canadian breeder, has long registered her animals
as "Name" Brew, with Brew being her herd ID. Someone else wanted to use
that sort of naming convention, and it was rejected by ARI. Only after
long back and forth and heated arguments did this other breeder
prevail.
I had a problem with my old farm name of "West Wind." Another farm
reserved "West Winds" before I reserved "West Wind." Regardless of the
fact that I had reserved "westwindalpacas.
using the name of West Wind Alpacas since 2001. Everything was fine for
years, until one day they discovered the similarity and revoked my use
of "West Wind" therefore prompting the changing of my farm name. They
did allow me to reserve West Wind Ltd, however.
People using the same farm name as someone else really annoys me.
Heather
Heather Zeleny
White Lotus Alpacas
Creswell, OR
541.895.0964
Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
http://www.whitelot
http://tech.
On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:05 PM, Denise L. Moss-Fritch wrote:
> One additional element to L'Etoille's name. The software used by ARI
> does
> not accept an apostrophe in an alpaca's name. (You can use an
> apostrophe in
> the three letter breeder name when used as part of an alpaca's name,
> but not
> in the alpaca's name.) I called and spoke with an ARI representative
> when
> registering L'Etolle. The best she could recommend was to "drop" the
> apostrophe in the registered name (from L'Etolle to L Etolle) so the
> system
> would accept the name. So, while his name is L'Etolle, the ARI
> registered
> name is L Etolle.
>
> Best,
>
> Denise
>
> Denise L. Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
[mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> On
> Behalf Of Allison Moss-Fritch
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:13 PM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I've also been working at cria naming.it was not easy. I like strong,
> one
> word names that are memorable and imbued with positive
> characteristics.
> After a while it is hard to come up with something fresh.
>
> So, I bridged the language gap back to French, my first language and
> we have
> a new little shining suri boy (our 12th in a row males) named,
> "L'Etoille"
> which means, loosely translated, "The Star" or "The Showman"..as in
> "movie
> star", etc.
>
> So when, a few week later, this past Thursday we finally had a very
> similar
> little suri girl in bright white curls.I was at a loss.but a very
> happy loss
> after 12 boys in a row.a GIRL, and healthy at that.
>
> She is, after much looking into mythology and through both Christian
> and
> Wiccan name books for something which embodies her life
> position.."Ismene"
> which means among other things."Loyal Ruler" or "Named for Peace" The
> name
> has a long history, it appears in the cycle of Greek Plays called
> Antigone.
> Ismene is also a mythological daughter of a river god noted for her
> courageous actions.
>
> For a male and one black as night.I'd be tempted to name him "Night
> Trax".for the footprints left on a dark road on a moonless night. That
> means he's got a path to leave for others to follow. Which is a good
> visual
> for a leader
>
> Just a thought for when you are having a hard time coming up with
> something
> different!
>
> Allison Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
<mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> On
> Behalf Of Wendy Edwards
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:20 PM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
<mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
>
> hi Flossie - great minds must think alike eh? to me, the name
> DreamWeaver
> embodies so many of my feelings around my alpacas.
> I also like the name of your farm - it sounds so peaceful
>
> Wendy
> DreamWeaver Alpacas
> BC
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Flossie Carmichael
> To: alpacatalk@yahoogro
<mailto:alpacatalk%
> <mailto:alpacatalk%
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
>
> Wendy, I just looked at your farm name. I also have a male named Dream
> Weaver. We call him Weaver.
> Flossie
> Flossie and Joe Carmichael GentleGrangeAlpacas Jamison,Pa.
> Home-215-918-
> Cell-267-614-
>
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
<mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> : wendy.edwards@
<mailto:wendy.
> <mailto:wendy.
> Nov 2008 11:23:50 -0800Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
>
> My black cria is called "Raven's Royal Flush" after his sire Wild
> Rose Royal
> Flush, a very classy male, who passed away before Raven was
> born.WendyDreamWeav
> Flossie
> Carmichael To: alpacatalk@yahoogro
<mailto:alpacatalk%
> <mailto:alpacatalk%
> <mailto:alpacatalk%
> 6:28
> AMSubject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] cria nameI had a true black little girl,
> my
> first after 3 years of all boys, born on the same exact day. I named
> her
> Raven because of her color and if you could see her pronk, she
> practically
> flys! Black Magic? or something with Lucky in the name because you
> sure are
> lucky to have a black male. Flossie Flossie and Joe Carmichael
> GentleGrangeAlpacas Jamison,Pa. Home-215-918-
> http://www.alpacana
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