RE: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
Correct Heather. But that apostrophe is in the Breeder ID, not the name of
the alpaca. For example, when I register an alpaca I have the choice of
using NMA's <alpaca name>. However, that Breeder ID is probably a defined
label, not part of the field into which you identify the animal's name.
Correct Bruce?
Best,
Denise
-----Original Message-----
From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 6:15 PM
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
Well, wait a minute. I have seen many many many [<Breeder ID> Famous
Sire's Offspring Name] registered. That apostrophe after the dam or
sire's name is right in there in the animal name. What about that?
Heather
On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:01 PM, bbeatty656@aol.
> Denise,
>
> Why did I KNOW you would get me? :-)
>
> Excellent point for me to ask Darby about our system concerning the
> "English" special characters vs "other languages".
>
> I do believe we had to tell the system which character to disallow.
>
> VERRRRYYYYY interesting as Sgt. Schultz used to say.
>
> Bruce
> ARI Board
>
> PS: is their a herd ID in one of the Guns and Roses name?
>
>
> In a message dated 11/24/2008 6:54:59 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> D.Mossfritch@
>
> Evening Bruce,
>
> Yup, so ARI has a rule that excludes "special characters and symbols".
> However, why is that rule in place? Software design typically excludes
> "special characters". For example, a typical listing might be
> invalidList =
> ",<.>?;:'@#~
> electronic
> (Acrobat) source. Different programming languages or database
> development
> systems will have slightly different lists.
>
> In the case of L'Etoille we are dealing with a non-English language,
> French.
> Probably good that Allison didn't try for a German name with an
> umlaut. My
> comment was just that, a comment, describing but another limitation
> all of
> us currently find when dealing with computer systems. Part of that
> limitation is built into the software and part is the programming.
>
> As for the "line in the sand", I can only laugh. A year ago when at a
> west
> coast show I heard that Guns and Roses had just taken first place.
> However,
> that was a Huacaya in the two plus age group. Our Guns and Roses is a
> Suri
> and was in the juvenile class.
>
> Best,
>
> Denise
>
> Denise L. Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA
>
> (A Walden University doctoral student in Information Systems
> Management)
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> On
> Behalf Of bbeatty656@aol.
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:18 PM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
>
> Denise,
>
> I hate to bust your balloon but it really is a rule in ARI Policies
> and
> Procedures 04-04 "Alpaca Names"
>
> PROCEDURE
> Alpaca names must begin with a letter or digit and must have 35 or
> fewer
> characters including punctuation, breeder identifiers and spaces.
> Special
> characters and symbols will not be allowed.
> It is NOT poorly designed software. Naming of alpacas continues to be
> a
> challenge in this industry but the naming rules are pretty clear and
> defined
> for
> all to see.
>
> Personally, I don't think you would be happy if ARI allowed me to
> take one
> of your registered animals names and insert an apostrophe or dash in
> the
> name
> somewhere and then accept it as valid for one of my animals. That
> would be a
>
> very slippery slope, once started.
>
> Where would YOU draw that line in the sand?
>
> Bruce Beatty, President
> ARI Board
>
> In a message dated 11/23/2008 9:34:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> D.Mossfritch@
>
> Heather,
>
> I doubt lack of accepting an apostrophe is an ARI rule as much as
> poorly
> designed software. The error message I received said I had used and
> illegal
> character, the apostrophe, when identifying L'Etoille's name.
>
> For example, software design problems I frequently see is with a
> hyphenated
> married name. Insurance agencies, credit cards, even various levels of
> government use software that is not designed to accept a hyphen in a
> surname. Another example is gender (or sex). Most software, even on
> printed
> forms, identify only two genders - female and male. The software
> designed by
> the medical device company where I work (radiation treatment for
> cancer)
> identifies six genders, including "unknown" and "not identified". A
> couple
> of years ago we heard a lot about Y2K, yet a two digit vs. four digit
> date
> is minor compared to some software limits I see today.
>
> What concerns me is if the alpaca industry is to use EDPs, the
> information
> needed to make decision must be recordable. If we do not have database
> software that will accept the data we wish to use to make decisions,
> how
> will we be able to make informed decisions?
>
> Best,
>
> Denise
>
> Denise L. Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA
>
> From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> On
> Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:19 PM
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
>
> That's aggravating.
>
> You know, I think they're making up rules as they go, and enforcing
> them as they interpret them at any given time.
>
> Margaret Brewster, a Canadian breeder, has long registered her animals
> as "Name" Brew, with Brew being her herd ID. Someone else wanted to
> use
> that sort of naming convention, and it was rejected by ARI. Only after
> long back and forth and heated arguments did this other breeder
> prevail.
>
> I had a problem with my old farm name of "West Wind." Another farm
> reserved "West Winds" before I reserved "West Wind." Regardless of the
> fact that I had reserved "westwindalpacas.
> using the name of West Wind Alpacas since 2001. Everything was fine
> for
> years, until one day they discovered the similarity and revoked my use
> of "West Wind" therefore prompting the changing of my farm name. They
> did allow me to reserve West Wind Ltd, however.
>
> People using the same farm name as someone else really annoys me.
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> White Lotus Alpacas
> Creswell, OR
>
> 541.895.0964
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> http://www.whitelot
> http://tech.
>
> On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:05 PM, Denise L. Moss-Fritch wrote:
>
> > One additional element to L'Etoille's name. The software used by ARI
> > does
> > not accept an apostrophe in an alpaca's name. (You can use an
> > apostrophe in
> > the three letter breeder name when used as part of an alpaca's name,
> > but not
> > in the alpaca's name.) I called and spoke with an ARI representative
> > when
> > registering L'Etolle. The best she could recommend was to "drop" the
> > apostrophe in the registered name (from L'Etolle to L Etolle) so the
> > system
> > would accept the name. So, while his name is L'Etolle, the ARI
> > registered
> > name is L Etolle.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Denise
> >
> > Denise L. Moss-Fritch
> >
> > New Moon Alpacas
> >
> > Santa Clara, CA
> >
> > From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > On
> > Behalf Of Allison Moss-Fritch
> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:13 PM
> > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I've also been working at cria naming.it was not easy. I like
> strong,
> > one
> > word names that are memorable and imbued with positive
> > characteristics.
> > After a while it is hard to come up with something fresh.
> >
> > So, I bridged the language gap back to French, my first language and
> > we have
> > a new little shining suri boy (our 12th in a row males) named,
> > "L'Etoille"
> > which means, loosely translated, "The Star" or "The Showman"..as in
> > "movie
> > star", etc.
> >
> > So when, a few week later, this past Thursday we finally had a very
> > similar
> > little suri girl in bright white curls.I was at a loss.but a very
> > happy loss
> > after 12 boys in a row.a GIRL, and healthy at that.
> >
> > She is, after much looking into mythology and through both Christian
> > and
> > Wiccan name books for something which embodies her life
> > position.."Ismene"
> > which means among other things."Loyal Ruler" or "Named for Peace"
> The
> > name
> > has a long history, it appears in the cycle of Greek Plays called
> > Antigone.
> > Ismene is also a mythological daughter of a river god noted for her
> > courageous actions.
> >
> > For a male and one black as night.I'd be tempted to name him "Night
> > Trax".for the footprints left on a dark road on a moonless night.
> That
> > means he's got a path to leave for others to follow. Which is a good
> > visual
> > for a leader
> >
> > Just a thought for when you are having a hard time coming up with
> > something
> > different!
> >
> > Allison Moss-Fritch
> >
> > New Moon Alpacas
> >
> > Santa Clara, CA
> >
> > From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > On
> > Behalf Of Wendy Edwards
> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:20 PM
> > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
> >
> > hi Flossie - great minds must think alike eh? to me, the name
> > DreamWeaver
> > embodies so many of my feelings around my alpacas.
> > I also like the name of your farm - it sounds so peaceful
> >
> > Wendy
> > DreamWeaver Alpacas
> > BC
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Flossie Carmichael
> > To: alpacatalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:alpacatalk%
> <mailto:alpacatalk%
> > <mailto:alpacatalk%
> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
> >
> > Wendy, I just looked at your farm name. I also have a male named
> Dream
> > Weaver. We call him Weaver.
> > Flossie
> > Flossie and Joe Carmichael GentleGrangeAlpacas Jamison,Pa.
> > Home-215-918-
> > Cell-267-614-
> >
> > To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > : wendy.edwards@
> <mailto:wendy.
> <mailto:wendy.
> > <mailto:wendy.
> > Nov 2008 11:23:50 -0800Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
> >
> > My black cria is called "Raven's Royal Flush" after his sire Wild
> > Rose Royal
> > Flush, a very classy male, who passed away before Raven was
> > born.WendyDreamWeav
> > Flossie
> > Carmichael To: alpacatalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:alpacatalk%
> <mailto:alpacatalk%
> > <mailto:alpacatalk%
> > <mailto:alpacatalk%
> 2008
> > 6:28
> > AMSubject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] cria nameI had a true black little girl,
> > my
> > first after 3 years of all boys, born on the same exact day. I named
> > her
> > Raven because of her color and if you could see her pronk, she
> > practically
> > flys! Black Magic? or something with Lucky in the name because you
> > sure are
> > lucky to have a black male. Flossie Flossie and Joe Carmichael
> > GentleGrangeAlpacas Jamison,Pa. Home-215-918-
> > http://www.alpacana
>
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