Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
I'm glad I breed huacayas, I like the blue certs so much better than
the red of the suris. :) I think the font coices were a bit better for
the new cets, though. At least the info on the left side is now larger
and legible without a magnifying glass, though!
Heather
On Nov 24, 2008, at 5:21 PM, LunarStruck@
> Oh, darn it. Couldn't they do both huacayas and suris on all the
> registrations? It really looks so much nicer, the one I just got
> looks really
> unprofessional.
>
> SUSAN
>
> In a message dated 11/24/2008 5:19:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> bbeatty656@aol.
>
> Hi Susan,
>
> It was a cost decision, primarily. There were some operational issues
> as
> well when it came time to print Huacaya vs Suri certificates.
>
> I'm sorry but I don't see us returning to the older version of the
> certificate. At least not at the present time.
>
> Bruce Beatty
> ARI Board
>
> In a message dated 11/24/2008 6:08:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> _LunarStruck@
>
> Good point, Bruce, that does make sense. But while you are here, can
> you
> tell me why ARI elected to remove the watermark from the registration
> certificates? I just got one for an older female who has only two
> parents
> listed and
> it is BLANK. It looks so ugly compared to the old ones, can't they
> change
> back?
>
> SUSAN OLSON
> Alpaca Loco
> Riverside, CA
>
> ============
>
> In a message dated 11/24/2008 4:18:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> _bbeatty656@
>
> Denise,
>
> I hate to bust your balloon but it really is a rule in ARI Policies
> and
> Procedures 04-04 "Alpaca Names"
>
> PROCEDURE
> Alpaca names must begin with a letter or digit and must have 35 or
> fewer
> characters including punctuation, breeder identifiers and spaces.
> Special
> characters and symbols will not be allowed.
> It is NOT poorly designed software. Naming of alpacas continues to be
> a
> challenge in this industry but the naming rules are pretty clear and
> defined
> for
> all to see.
>
> Personally, I don't think you would be happy if ARI allowed me to
> take one
> of your registered animals names and insert an apostrophe or dash in
> the
> name
> somewhere and then accept it as valid for one of my animals. That
> would be
> a
> very slippery slope, once started.
>
> Where would YOU draw that line in the sand?
>
> Bruce Beatty, President
> ARI Board
>
> In a message dated 11/23/2008 9:34:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> __D.Mossfritch@
> (mailto:_D.Mossfritch@
> ) writes:
>
> Heather,
>
> I doubt lack of accepting an apostrophe is an ARI rule as much as
> poorly
> designed software. The error message I received said I had used and
> illegal
> character, the apostrophe, when identifying L'Etoille's name.
>
> For example, software design problems I frequently see is with a
> hyphenated
> married name. Insurance agencies, credit cards, even various levels of
> government use software that is not designed to accept a hyphen in a
> surname. Another example is gender (or sex). Most software, even on
> printed
> forms, identify only two genders - female and male. The software
> designed by
> the medical device company where I work (radiation treatment for
> cancer)
> identifies six genders, including "unknown" and "not identified". A
> couple
> of years ago we heard a lot about Y2K, yet a two digit vs. four digit
> date
> is minor compared to some software limits I see today.
>
> What concerns me is if the alpaca industry is to use EDPs, the
> information
> needed to make decision must be recordable. If we do not have database
> software that will accept the data we wish to use to make decisions,
> how
> will we be able to make informed decisions?
>
> Best,
>
> Denise
>
> Denise L. Moss-Fritch
>
> New Moon Alpacas
>
> Santa Clara, CA
>
> From: _AlpacaTalk@
> (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
>
> [mailto:_AlpacaTalk
> _A_AlpacaTalk@
> (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> On
> Behalf Of Heather Zeleny
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:19 PM
> To: _AlpacaTalk@
> (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
>
> That's aggravating.
>
> You know, I think they're making up rules as they go, and enforcing
> them as they interpret them at any given time.
>
> Margaret Brewster, a Canadian breeder, has long registered her animals
> as "Name" Brew, with Brew being her herd ID. Someone else wanted to
> use
> that sort of naming convention, and it was rejected by ARI. Only after
> long back and forth and heated arguments did this other breeder
> prevail.
>
> I had a problem with my old farm name of "West Wind." Another farm
> reserved "West Winds" before I reserved "West Wind." Regardless of the
> fact that I had reserved "westwindalpacas.
> using the name of West Wind Alpacas since 2001. Everything was fine
> for
> years, until one day they discovered the similarity and revoked my use
> of "West Wind" therefore prompting the changing of my farm name. They
> did allow me to reserve West Wind Ltd, however.
>
> People using the same farm name as someone else really annoys me.
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Zeleny
> White Lotus Alpacas
> Creswell, OR
>
> 541.895.0964
>
> Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> __http://www.whitelot
> (http://www.whitelot
> (_http://www.whitelot
> (http://www.whitelot
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>
> On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:05 PM, Denise L. Moss-Fritch wrote:
>
> > One additional element to L'Etoille's name. The software used by ARI
> > does
> > not accept an apostrophe in an alpaca's name. (You can use an
> > apostrophe in
> > the three letter breeder name when used as part of an alpaca's name,
> > but not
> > in the alpaca's name.) I called and spoke with an ARI representative
> > when
> > registering L'Etolle. The best she could recommend was to "drop" the
> > apostrophe in the registered name (from L'Etolle to L Etolle) so the
> > system
> > would accept the name. So, while his name is L'Etolle, the ARI
> > registered
> > name is L Etolle.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Denise
> >
> > Denise L. Moss-Fritch
> >
> > New Moon Alpacas
> >
> > Santa Clara, CA
> >
> > From: _AlpacaTalk@ From: _AlpacaTalk@
> (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
>
> [mailto:_AlpacaTalk
> _Alpac_AlpacaTalk@
> (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > On
> > Behalf Of Allison Moss-Fritch
> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:13 PM
> > To: _AlpacaTalk@ To:
> _AlpacaTalk@
> (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I've also been working at cria naming.it was not easy. I like
> strong,
> > one
> > word names that are memorable and imbued with positive
> > characteristics.
> > After a while it is hard to come up with something fresh.
> >
> > So, I bridged the language gap back to French, my first language and
> > we have
> > a new little shining suri boy (our 12th in a row males) named,
> > "L'Etoille"
> > which means, loosely translated, "The Star" or "The Showman"..as in
> > "movie
> > star", etc.
> >
> > So when, a few week later, this past Thursday we finally had a very
> > similar
> > little suri girl in bright white curls.I was at a loss.but a very
> > happy loss
> > after 12 boys in a row.a GIRL, and healthy at that.
> >
> > She is, after much looking into mythology and through both Christian
> > and
> > Wiccan name books for something which embodies her life
> > position.."Ismene"
> > which means among other things."Loyal Ruler" or "Named for Peace"
> The
> > name
> > has a long history, it appears in the cycle of Greek Plays called
> > Antigone.
> > Ismene is also a mythological daughter of a river god noted for her
> > courageous actions.
> >
> > For a male and one black as night.I'd be tempted to name him "Night
> > Trax".for the footprints left on a dark road on a moonless night.
> That
> > means he's got a path to leave for others to follow. Which is a good
> > visual
> > for a leader
> >
> > Just a thought for when you are having a hard time coming up with
> > something
> > different!
> >
> > Allison Moss-Fritch
> >
> > New Moon Alpacas
> >
> > Santa Clara, CA
> >
> > From: _AlpacaTalk@ From: _AlpacaTalk@
> (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > [mailto:_AlpacaTalk [mailto:_Al [mail_AlpacaTalk@
> (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
>
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > On
> > Behalf Of Wendy Edwards
> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:20 PM
> > To: _AlpacaTalk@ To:
> _AlpacaTalk@
> (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
> >
> > hi Flossie - great minds must think alike eh? to me, the name
> > DreamWeaver
> > embodies so many of my feelings around my alpacas.
> > I also like the name of your farm - it sounds so peaceful
> >
> > Wendy
> > DreamWeaver Alpacas
> > BC
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Flossie Carmichael
> > To: _alpacatalk@ To:
> _alpacatalk@
> (mailto:alpacatalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:alpacatalk%
> <mailto:alpacatalk%
> > <mailto:alpacatalk%
> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
> >
> > Wendy, I just looked at your farm name. I also have a male named
> Dream
> > Weaver. We call him Weaver.
> > Flossie
> > Flossie and Joe Carmichael GentleGrangeAlpacas Jamison,Pa.
> > Home-215-918-
> > Cell-267-614- Cell__http://www.alpacana
> (http://www.alpacana
> (_http://www.alpacana
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> >
> > To: _AlpacaTalk@ To: _AlpacaTalk To:
> (mailto:_AlpacaTalk
> (mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > <mailto:AlpacaTalk%
> > : __wendy.edwards@
> (mailto:_wendy.edwards@
> (mailto:wendy.edwards@
> <mailto:wendy.
> <mailto:wendy.
> > <mailto:wendy.
> > Nov 2008 11:23:50 -0800Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] cria name
> >
> > My black cria is called "Raven's Royal Flush" after his sire Wild
> > Rose Royal
> > Flush, a very classy male, who passed away before Raven was
> > born.WendyDreamWeav born.WendyDrea born.WendyDreamWeav
> AlpacasB
> > Flossie
> > Carmichael To: _alpacatalk@ Carmichael T
> (mailto:_alpacatalk
> (mailto:alpacatalk@yahoogro
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> > <mailto:alpacatalk%
> > <mailto:alpacatalk%
> 2008
> > 6:28
> > AMSubject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] cria nameI had a true black little girl,
> > my
> > first after 3 years of all boys, born on the same exact day. I named
> > her
> > Raven because of her color and if you could see her pronk, she
> > practically
> > flys! Black Magic? or something with Lucky in the name because you
> > sure are
> > lucky to have a black male. Flossie Flossie and Joe Carmichael
> > GentleGrangeAlpacas Jamison,Pa. Home-215-918- GentleGrangeAlpacas J
> Gen
> > __http://www.alpacana
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