Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA shenannigans?
Heather,
I'm not the one to answer these questions as to exactly why. Contact the
Marketing Committee members and they should be able to answer you
questions. I'm, of course I'm assuming you really want to understand.
I do know that it costs lots of money to advertise. The magazine costs
money to publish. It's not done for free. Ads costs money. It isn't
free to AOBA just because we all want it to be. So it can't be free to us.
Out in the world, this is what things cost. Ads on TV (one of the most
effective methods of advertising) costs big money.
It works the same way as it works at shows....by charging some more (such
as sponsorships)
who can't pay the full cost or don't want to pay the full cost to attend.
It's EXPENSIVE to put on a show. Yes, those who pay a LOT more than it's
worth get "something" for what they are charged but I have no doubt that
they don't "get their money's worth" either. Instead of using words like
"elitist BS," try to look at it different. Some people pay $5,000 for a
sponsorship to a show so that others can attend for $50 and what the person
who pays $5,000 gets is (sometimes) preferred stalling (certainly not worth
$1,000 or so) or a small gift. If the cost was spread out the same to all,
the cost would be hundreds of dollars each. Think about it. Elitist?
Generous? Depends on your perspective. Why not help out a show and other
participants by paying a sponsorship? Why not become a Benefactor and help
others as well as getting all those elitist goodies you crave. Always
surprises me how differently we all look at life.
I sugget instead of complaining, please find out the facts first. You
might be pleasantly surprised at why it has been set up this way (mostly by
small breeders) all these years. Pretty clever, actually.
Libby
Libby Forstner
Magical Farms
Heather Zeleny
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Well, the "statement" was actually a tongue in cheek speculation, but I
still don't understand why AOBA took away our magazine subs, ad why
advertising in those special pubs are so damned expensive. And why only
the rich get the membership info electronically. Elitist BS, it looks
to most of us.
Best,
Heather
On Dec 28, 2007, at 6:15 PM, libby@alpacafarm.
>
>
> Heather,
>
> It has nothing to do with making a profit but rather that by
> definition
> some income is taxable and some isn't. Your comment about the "real
> intent" is unfair and untrue. If you have an interest in the truth,
> check
> out the alpaca politics site where Amy McCroskie spelled it all out
> and
> answered everyone's questions. Better yet, contact Amy personally to
> find
> out the details. I'm sure she will be glad to fill you in until the
> letter
> goes out to the membership.
>
> Libby
>
> Libby Forstner
> Magical Farms
>
> Heather Zeleny
> <alpacatalk@
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> 12/28/2007 09:03 shenannigans?
> PM
>
>
> Please respond to
> AlpacaTalk@yahoog
> roups.com
>
>
>
> I dunno, it seem to me that AOBA is a non-profit, created to benefit
> members and the alpaca industry as a whole. If they're making too much
> money, maybe they could give us back our subscription to Alpacas
> Magazine, for one, and maybe make the ads in the FRG and Herdsire
> Edition more affordable for us smaller breeders.... And maybe also
> give
> those of us who don't have the $5k+ for benefactor status access to
> the
> membership in electronic form as well.... if this really is about "too
> much income."
>
> Or maybe the real intent was to make salaried positions for those hand
> picked to head up this new for-profit organization. Now there's a good
> use of our dues and fees! Anyone else feel a bit used and taken by
> this
> development?
>
> Heather
>
> On Dec 28, 2007, at 9:28 AM, weist_m wrote:
>
> > Several weeks back I remember seeing "Alpaca Livestock Company"
> under
> > the listings for new corporations in the Tennessean Newspaper. After
> > reading several posts on this subject - I understand why they did
> > this. Makes sense to me, but that is my opinion and I haven't been
> > in the business very long.
> >
> > Mel (Ellemae)
> > Double Creek Farm
> >
> > --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I call bullshit on this:
> > >
> > > > From the 10/8/07 AOBA BOD director minutes:
> > > >
> > > > 6. AOBA Office Monthly Activity Report
> > > >
> > > > Gordon gave a report of the September office activities. The
> > > for-profit
> > > > subsidiary of AOBA was discussed and the name was decided
> > as "Alpaca
> > > Livestock
> > > > Company."
> > > >
> > >
> > > Did AOBA send out communication to the membership in regards to
> > this
> > > action? I never saw anything. I smell a new group of "Intervenors"
> > in
> > > the near future!
> > >
> > >
> > > Heather
> > >
> > > Heather Zeleny
> > > West Wind Alpacas
> > > Eugene, OR
> > >
> > > Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece
> > > Home of Avatar's West Wind Scirocco, El Bello's Padré, Pluro
> > grandson
> > > Sienna Illusion, and true black full Bolivian Cosby of Chelsea
> > Farms!
> > > http://www.westwind
> > > http://www.alpacana
> > > http://tech.
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
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