[AlpacaTalk] AOBA subsidiary
I am not a member of AOBA so this topic does not
apply to me directly, but since AOBA affects the
entire industry, it does concern me as an alpaca
owner.
1. Why did AOBA start a for-profit company instead of
giving money back to the members in some way, or
lowering prices for shows, magazines, or memberships?
2. Why couldn't AOBA give the surplus money to the
affiliates, the Alpaca Research Foundation, or more
advertising? Honestly, I haven't seen an AOBA
commercial in at least a year.
2. Are all the AOBA members listed as owners of the
Alpaca Livestock Company business records?
3. Will the Alpaca Livestock Company be issuing stock
certificates (since it is not owned by just a few
people) and giving dividends to its owners?
I am sure that there will be more questions once these
are addressed, but these are some initial concerns of
mine.
Thanks,
Stephanie Zeleny
Stardust Alpacas
Creswell, OR
541-895-0964
stardustalpacas.
stardustalpacas@
stephanie@stardusta
As for advertising, I have not seen an AOBA commercial
in at least a year. I do see "I love alpacas.com"
commercials once in a while, but never AOBA
commercials.
--- libby@alpacafarm.
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> Heather,
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> I'm not the one to answer these questions as to
> exactly why. Contact the
> Marketing Committee members and they should be able
> to answer you
> questions. I'm, of course I'm assuming you really
> want to understand.
>
> I do know that it costs lots of money to advertise.
> The magazine costs
> money to publish. It's not done for free. Ads
> costs money. It isn't
> free to AOBA just because we all want it to be. So
> it can't be free to us.
> Out in the world, this is what things cost. Ads on
> TV (one of the most
> effective methods of advertising) costs big money.
>
> It works the same way as it works at shows....by
> charging some more (such
> as sponsorships)
> makes it possible for those
> who can't pay the full cost or don't want to pay the
> full cost to attend.
> It's EXPENSIVE to put on a show. Yes, those who pay
> a LOT more than it's
> worth get "something" for what they are charged but
> I have no doubt that
> they don't "get their money's worth" either.
> Instead of using words like
> "elitist BS," try to look at it different. Some
> people pay $5,000 for a
> sponsorship to a show so that others can attend for
> $50 and what the person
> who pays $5,000 gets is (sometimes) preferred
> stalling (certainly not worth
> $1,000 or so) or a small gift. If the cost was
> spread out the same to all,
> the cost would be hundreds of dollars each. Think
> about it. Elitist?
> Generous? Depends on your perspective. Why not
> help out a show and other
> participants by paying a sponsorship? Why not
> become a Benefactor and help
> others as well as getting all those elitist goodies
> you crave. Always
> surprises me how differently we all look at life.
>
> I sugget instead of complaining, please find out the
> facts first. You
> might be pleasantly surprised at why it has been set
> up this way (mostly by
> small breeders) all these years. Pretty clever,
> actually.
>
> Libby
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> Libby Forstner
> Magical Farms
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> Heather Zeleny
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> Subject
> Re:
> [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA
> 12/28/2007 11:37 shenannigans?
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> PM
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> Please respond to
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> AlpacaTalk@yahoog
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> roups.com
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> Well, the "statement" was actually a tongue in cheek
> speculation, but I
> still don't understand why AOBA took away our
> magazine subs, ad why
> advertising in those special pubs are so damned
> expensive. And why only
> the rich get the membership info electronically.
> Elitist BS, it looks
> to most of us.
>
> Best,
> Heather
>
> On Dec 28, 2007, at 6:15 PM, libby@alpacafarm.
> wrote:
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> > Heather,
> >
> > It has nothing to do with making a profit but
> rather that by
> > definition
> > some income is taxable and some isn't. Your
> comment about the "real
> > intent" is unfair and untrue. If you have an
> interest in the truth,
> > check
> > out the alpaca politics site where Amy McCroskie
> spelled it all out
> > and
> > answered everyone's questions. Better yet, contact
> Amy personally to
> > find
> > out the details. I'm sure she will be glad to fill
> you in until the
> > letter
> > goes out to the membership.
> >
> > Libby
> >
> > Libby Forstner
> > Magical Farms
> >
> > Heather Zeleny
> > <alpacatalk@
> > indalpacas.com> To
> > Sent by: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> > AlpacaTalk@yahoog cc
> > roups.com
> > Subject
> > Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: AOBA
> > 12/28/2007 09:03 shenannigans?
> > PM
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> > Please respond to
> > AlpacaTalk@yahoog
> > roups.com
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> >
> > I dunno, it seem to me that AOBA is a non-profit,
> created to benefit
> > members and the alpaca industry as a whole. If
> they're making too much
> > money, maybe they could give us back our
> subscription to Alpacas
> > Magazine, for one, and maybe make the ads in the
> FRG and Herdsire
> > Edition more affordable for us smaller
> breeders.... And maybe also
> > give
> > those of us who don't have the $5k+ for benefactor
> status access to
> > the
> > membership in electronic form as well.... if this
> really is about "too
> > much income."
> >
> > Or maybe the real intent was to make salaried
> positions for those hand
> > picked to head up this new for-profit
> organization. Now there's a good
> > use of our dues and fees! Anyone else feel a bit
> used and taken by
> > this
> > development?
> >
> > Heather
> >
> > On Dec 28, 2007, at 9:28 AM, weist_m wrote:
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