Re: [Alpacasite] Re: need good hay in California

Hi Flossie,

We obtained the best leafy 2nd cutting hay we have ever purchased for
$2.75 a bale. I won't bore you with all of the details, but the hay
tested out at almost 12% protein; no seed heads. Nice! The alpacas
believe it is candy. Hopefully the hay farmer doesn't chose to go
out of business any time soon and the quality remains excellent.

Dave

David & Esther Friedman
Adirondack Alpacas
"From the Womb to the Loom"
9568 Old Stage Road
Remsen, NY 13438
www.newyorkalpacas.com
315-831-3040

At 11:44 AM 12/4/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Dave, I live in Pa. and paid $4 for bales that size. The breeder I bought
>from in NJ pays $8 for the same size but it is pure grass- no stems at all
>so she has no waste. So I think quality also plays a part in price. Flossie
>
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>Flossie and Joe Carmichael
>GentleGrangeAlpacas
>Jamison,Pa.
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> >From: David Friedman <alpacas@adelphia.net>
> >Reply-To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] Re: need good hay in California
> >Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:01:58 -0500
> >
> >I am curious, Rachelle, how big the bales are that are costing you
> >$11. In our neck of the woods, a 30-40 lb. square bale of orchard
> >grass hay costs approx. $2-3. Quite a discrepancy, if the bales are
> >the same size! Of course, climactic conditions vary greatly.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >David & Esther Friedman
> >Adirondack Alpacas
> >"From the Womb to the Loom"
> >9568 Old Stage Road
> >Remsen, NY 13438
> >www.newyorkalpacas.com
> >315-831-3040
> >
> >At 10:45 AM 12/4/2005, you wrote:
> > >Hi Gary,
> > >Nope, I'm not new to buying volume hay, but thanks for the ideas.
> > >Actually in the six years we have been raising alpacas, last year
> > >was the only year we were unable to find good hay this time of
> > >year. Last year was a particularly terrible one due to all the wet
> > >conditions that ruined many crops here in CA.
> > >It's all in where you buy it and who is hiding the good stuff in the
> > >average year.
> > >Thanks to all who are giving me sources, both here and privately,
> > >keep them coming! :)
> > >
> > >Be careful with cabbage and alpacas, it can cause gas and a bit of
> > >bloating, especially with crias.
> > >Ciao~
> > >Rachelle
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Wyatt & Rachelle Black
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> > >Message: 23
> > >Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:57:17 -0000
> > >From: "gepp1" <alpacas@greystonemanor.biz>
> > >Subject: Re: need good hay in California
> > >
> > >Don't we all ...
> > >
> > >It sounds like you're new to volume hay purchasing in California.
> > >Sorry to tell you this but if you haven't gotten good grass hay by
> > >about September, you aren't going to be getting any.
> > >
> > >Last year right around this time it became apparent we didn't have
> > >enough hay laid up to get us to first cutting in the spring. I'll
> > >tell you what we did and hopefully you can get by.
> > >
> > >To get through this it's a really good idea to test all the
> > >different batches of hay you have or can get.
> > >
> > >Ideally what you want is something near 12% protein. So you're going
> > >to make custom blends. It's a real pain but better than the
> > >alternative.
> > >
> > >Buy some alfalfa hay! Good alfalfa hay is usually 16-18%. You're
> > >going to use that to get the protein of your mix up to 12%. If you
> > >mix it in good they will not be too successful picking out the
> > >alfalfa.
> > >
> > >If it's not too stalky, oat hay is good roughage to mix with the
> > >alfalfa but they waste a lot of it.
> > >
> > >Avoid the Bermuda if you can. We've tried giving it to our herd a
> > >few times and universally, if there is anything else they won't
> > >touch the Bermuda.
> > >
> > >First find and segregate the best hay you have or can get your hands
> > >on and ration that out to your pregnant dams. If that is not 12%
> > >protein you will need to add some alfalfa.
> > >
> > >Start giving everyone some grain along with whatever pellets you
> > >normally feed. Phase the grain in gradually. What I ended up with
> > >was one portion of pellets (one cup) and a grain portion that was
> > >about ? cup. One grain mix we've found works and didn't have any
> > >adverse effect was 50% dry cob and 50% rolled oats.
> > >
> > >It's expensive but buy fresh vegetables when you can get them at
> > >semi-reasonable prices. Carrots (use a potato peeler to make very
> > >thin slivers), cabbage, lettuce, kale, any other green leafy veggie,
> > >apple peels. Don't give them this stuff every day but 2-3 times a
> > >week in small amounts.
> > >
> > >Also get some variety of early or winter grass seed. Plant it NOW
> > >where they can't get at it. By March you'll be able to allow the
> > >pregnant dams an occasional treat.
> > >
> > >Good luck
> > >Greystone Manor
> > >Gary Epp
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