Re: [Alpacasite] Re: F&R Guide questionable value

Ruth,

Did you receive a supplement to the F&RG or a supplement to the AOBA
member listing? If you received one to the F&RG I would greatly
appreciate if you could e-mail me a photo of the cover since I am
unaware of the existence of this and would like to inquire to the
marketing committee and to AOBA as to what this is.

FYI - many of you have likely received a very recent copy of a
supplemental listing of AOBA members (no advertising required to receive
a copy - this is one of the benefits of being an AOBA member) that was
designed to list those members that were left out of the 2005 listing of
AOBA members that is published in the 1st quarter of every year.
Unfortunately this is one of the many areas that our association
contractor (AH) failed to deliver on in terms of service and is one of
the reasons why AOBA decided to leave AH and to form their own office.

If I can make a request - I fully encourage our membership to voice
their opinions on their likes and dislikes of our membership
associations leadership and committee decisions and I encourage the
moderator of this forum to allow wide and open discussions of ALL things
associated with alpacas even when they involve criticisms of individual
or committee actions but I do request that those that want to express
their criticism's please research your issue and try and make sure that
the information that you present is accurate and pertinent.

Ruth is likely to have a valid gripe if this F&RG supplement missed 10%
of the paid advertisers. If her complaint is about the supplemental AOBA
membership then, while she has a legitimate gripe concerning the
management of our association, she is a bit off the mark in chastising
the association for leaving out 10% of the paid advertisers when this is
not likely to have occurred.

As far as the accuracy of any e-mail address in the F&RG it is the
responsibility of the advertiser to ensure that their e-mail addresses
are correct. This is not something that AOBA can be responsible for.

Tim Wilson
Sterling Forrest Alpacas
Chagrin Falls, OH

Alpaca Heaven MI wrote:

>I imagine it is being sent to everyone as we were not one of the farms left out.
>
>Lisa Robin Olsen <AlpacaAtlantic@aol.com> wrote: Ruth,
>
>You received a supplement??? I wonder when it was sent out, if it
>was sent to the entire AOBA membership, or just those that had been
>left out??? Doesn't sound like it's very useful, but would be nice
>to have.
>
>Warmest Regards,
>Lisa
>
>Alpaca Atlantic of TN: Full-time Ranchers, Full-time Commitment,
>Full-time Support!
>Manchester, Tennessee
>Phone: (931) 728-6945
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>Web Site: http://www.Alpaca-Atlantic.com
>E-mail: AlpacaAtlantic@aol.com
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>--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, Alpaca Heaven MI <r_laity@y...>
>wrote:
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>>I was amused that there was a supplement published to the FRG
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>which was supposed to take care of errors and newbies. I had done
>some emailing from the original FRG and found that there is about a
>10% error rate with email addresses. Well one would hope that the
>supplement had the errors licked...... experienced the same 10%
>error rate again. From a data base and membership point of view
>this is disappointing - and so far the FRG has not been charged
>for. How happy are farm and ranch owners when they are paying for
>information with a 10% error rate???
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>> Ruth Affleck-Laity
>> Alpaca Heaven, MI
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>>alpacastarr <starr@v...> wrote:
>> That's a fair request - it's hard accepting criticism without
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>good
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>>alternative ideas.
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>>I suggest that while the final recommendation must come the from
>>committees and the final decision will always rest with the board,
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>I
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>>don't see why a "pros and cons" discussion of various ideas and
>>proposals right here on alpacasite would not be a valid source of
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>input.
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>>I realize that not everyone who signs on to alpacasite is an AOBA
>>member, but you never know where good ideas or improvements to make
>>already good ideas great might come from. A/S is a very large
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>group
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>>of people who have quite a vested interest in alpacas; if an idea
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>is
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>>unpopular (as presented) here there's a pretty good chance it
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>would be
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>>unpopular with members too. And, it's cheap to ask for input - no
>>expensive studies, no travel, no high-priced consultants - on A/S
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>and
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>>you can be sure of getting a diverse range of opinions. Just ask,
>>you'll get more input than you know what to do with probably!
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>>I wonder how the board/committees get member input now?
>>
>>Starr
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>>--- In Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com, bbeatty656@a... wrote:
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>>>I, for one, would be very interested in a dialogue on how to
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>>accomplish this
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>>>"sampling" of the membership.
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>>>I think most of us know about the need.
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>>>No generalities needed.
>>>
>>>Instead, how about a few realistic, detailed suggestions.
>>>
>>>
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