Re: [Alpacasite] Registered Names - previously (How to determine alpaca heritage?)

Everyone has a different situation. The initials for our name had
already been used, plus I don't think that I'd like to have CA in
front of all my animals names! So we ended up just with the word
Celestial as our breeder identifier and it seems to work -not too
long or unwieldy.

Jan Sherrill
Celestial Alpacas
Central Coast of California
Templeton

>Good morning Tim,
>
>
>
>We have purchased alpacas with the full farm name in the animals registered
>name but it just seems to be a bit of overkill. Most will know whose
>identifier specific initials are (ATV, AABC, MFI, OAR, PVA, AFA, etc) so
>what is the point in the entire name being used? I am NOT saying it is wrong
>but it is just an issue for me that I tend to avoid in my purchases,
>especially if it is a stud male.
>
>
>
>When I mentioned the above a few years ago to a newer alpaca breeder, they
>immediately changed from using their farm name to initials and I continue to
>purchase from them.
>
>
>
>Yes, we have purchased an animal whose name was subsequently changed.
>
>Lona
>ALPACAS of Tualatin Valley, LLC - Since 1988
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>From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On
>Behalf Of Tim Wilson
>Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:09 PM
>To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] How to determine alpaca heritage?
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>Lona,
>
>Do I understand you correctly to say that you would not purchase an
>animal with a complete farm name on it's pedigree even if it met your
>quality requirements and breeding goal needs?
>
>If so - interesting perspective. Certainly would make me step back and
>re-evaluate my naming strategy.
>
>Do any other farms have this same thinking about names?
>
>Lona - have you ever considered buying an alpaca and paying to change
>it's name?
>
>Tim Wilson
>Sterling Forrest Alpacas
>Chagrin Falls, OH
>
>Lona Nelsen Frank wrote:
>
>>Ian,
>>
>>
>>
>>I agree that you should have your herd identifier preceding your animals
>>name on the registration but I will tell you that I RARELY purchase an
>>animal that has the full farm name in it and I purchase several every year.
>>
>>
>>
>>In other words; I don't mind purchasing an animal called "ATV Kipling" but
>>would not be interested in purchasing an animal named "ALPACAS of Tualatin
>>Valley, LLC Kipling".
>>
>>Lona
>>ALPACAS of Tualatin Valley, LLC - Since 1988
>>Buy N. American for "Pure Perfection"T
>> <<http://www.alpacatv.com/>http://www.alpacatv.com/> www.AlpacaTV.com
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>>From: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com] On
>>Behalf Of Ian Watt
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:19 PM
>>To: Alpacasite@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: Re: [Alpacasite] How to determine alpaca heritage?
>>
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>>
>>Tim,
>>Ken answered your query but I will fill it out a little.
> >Australian preface every animal's name with the name of their
> >business - in your case each registration would carry the words
> >Sterling Forrest Alpacas (the registrar would even probably ask if
>>you knew your spelled Forest incorrectly!) in front of every alpaca
>>registered by you.. This name is applied for at the time of joining
>>the AAA and cannot be duplicated. Neither can it contain any South
>>American country name nor the name of any "line' such as Allianza,
>>Accoyo, etc.
>>It has always bemused me that many American breeders do not use their
>>business name in front of their animals name when registering cria.
>>I tell my classes that every cria is the direct result of a thought
>>out and considered decision by a breeder - had that decision not been
>>made, any cria would not be here. It seems to me that not appending
>>your business name to that animal that has been created by your
>>decision is not to do justice to the decision in the first place PLUS
>>it is looooong term advertising (in that it stays on the pedigree for
>>ever!).
>>I do think however that ARI's position on others being able to use
> >your business name just because you do not pay the fee required, is a
>>bit disingenuous.
>>Cheers,
>>Ian Watt
>>On Nov 19, 2005, at 6:54 AM, Tim Wilson wrote:
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>>
>>
>>>Ian,
>>>
>>>To what extent does the AAA limit the use of names? Would I be able to
>>>use SFA (my herd identifier for my farm Sterling Forrest Alpacas)? Do
>>>they restrict the use of other words?
>>>
>>>Tim Wilson
>>>Sterling Forrest Alpacas
>>>Chagrin Falls, OH
>>>
>>>Ian Watt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tim,
>>>>Just an interesting aside - the Australian register does not allow
>>>>the use of identifiers such as accoyo in animal names.
>>>>How much easier would life be (for American Alpaca breeders/ if that
>>>>were the practice here!
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Ian Watt
>>>>On Nov 18, 2005, at 5:08 PM, Tim Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Josh,
>>>>>
>>>>>Like Yogi Berra once said "this is deja vu all over again".
>>>>>
>>>>>I say that because before I got into alpacas 8 years ago I asked
>>>>>this
>>>>>group (at least this forum - many people come and go) the very same
>>>>>question. You wouldn't believe the firestorm it caused back then.
>>>>>I am
>>>>>glad to see it is a non starter these days (as it should be).
>>>>>
>>>>>Please be aware that we here in the US are rather unsure of our
>>>>>alpacas
>>>>>"heritage" prior to being imported into the US. Despite the
>>>>>marketing
>>>>>hype that the importers used at the time of importation from Peru we
>>>>>have to realize that the animals that ultimately made it into the US
>>>>>more than likely came from many different farms and from different
>>>>>countries. The "Country of Origin" is a misnomer. Read your ARI
>>>>>certificate closely, it only says "Country where screened" and then
>>>>>lists either Chile, Bolivia or Peru. This does not mean that that
>>>>>particular animal CAME from that country, just that it was the
>>>>>country
>>>>>where it resided when screened.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, be aware that the use of Accoyo does not designate a
>>>>>country of
>>>>>origin nor a country of screening only that it means (not always
>>>>>accurately so) that the animal is a descendent of an animal that had
>>>>>been bred at Don Julio's farm in Peru. Ken makes a credible argument
>>>>>that since Don Julio is not making the breeding decisions on the
>>>>>animals
>>>>>that were exported from his farm and program we might be remiss is
>>>>>continuing to use his farm name. I am just as guilty as most.
>>>>>Something
>>>>>to think about though.
>>>>>
>>>>>So what does it mean? That you should focus on the quality of the
>>>>>animal
>>>>>in front of you and not get caught up in the hype of country of
>>>>>origin.
>>>>>Quality is quality regardless of the labels we put on them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tim Wilson
>>>>>Sterling Forrest Alpacas
>>>>>Chagrin Falls, OH
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>eurekaalpaca wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I was wondering what the official process is for determining alpaca
>>>>>>heritage?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A couple examples:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you breed a (7/8 Peruvian 1/8 Bolivian) to a Full Peruvian the
>>>>>>offspring would be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you breed a (3/4 Peruvian 1/8 Bolivian 1/8 Chilean)to a Full
>>>>>>Accoyo
>>>>>>Peruvian the offspring would be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Let me know if there is a standard method of determining this
>>>>>>and if
>>>>>>there are any other anomalies to watch out for when determining
>>>>>>heritage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any information would be appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Josh
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