You did a great job and I totally understood everything. Here is one more dilemma. I have had suri cria before and he does not look or feel like suri. I have had huacaya cria before and it does not look or feel like huacaya. His fiber feels just like angora rabbit. Is that a trait of blue eyed white or a trait of suri/ huacaya cross or both or may just a variety of huacaya fiber? The mother is Ss suri genetically and the father is huacaya. Jim
--- On Fri, 10/8/10, Allison Moss-Fritch <aemoss17@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Allison Moss-Fritch <aemoss17@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [AlpacaTalk] Blue eyed alpaca
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 8, 2010, 8:41 PM
I think you are mixing apples and oranges. A white spot animal bred to a gray animal can have a blue eyed white offspring. A suri bred to a huacaya (if the suri is "pure" suri) will have an offspring that is Ss (one Suri gene and one huacaya gene) ---and since Suri is dominant, it will appear to be a suri offspring. They may be any color---however if you breed an animal carrying the recessive for blue eyes---be that animal suri or huacaya---to another animal (of whatever type or color) that also carries the recessive---sometimes the cria has only inherited the recessive gene from both parents---voila---blue eyes---and if also a white animal----white is dominant---then sometimes, more than other colors---they may also be deaf. Suri inheritance is we believe, dominant over huacaya---SS would be pure suri; ss would be pure huacaya---but breed them together and you get over time: SS, Ss, Ss, and ss---so three "appear" suri---but only the SS is; and one "appears huacaya" no matter what the parents appeared to be---and that one is pure huacaya---even from a Ss suri parent. However, if two animals which are Ss breed together---on average over time, you will have one animal that inherits the S from each parent "SS"---pure Suri; you will have two animals which inherit Ss, one from each parent (S from parent one and s from parent 2)---and the last animal inherits only ss which means the recessive gene for huacaya is expressed. Blue eyedness does not come from crossing suri to huacaya---but rather from crossing a white spot animal with an animal which carries the recessive for blue eyes. A blue eye gene is a recessive---so if a brown eyed animal (dominant) is crossed with an animal carrying blue eyed recessive gene ---over time ---again you will have one pure brown eye animal, one pure blue eyed animal---and two that appear to have brown eyes but carry the recessive for blue eyes. So, when you breed two animals which appear to have brown eyes, but carry the recessive for blue----you may suddenly see the blue eye gene (both recessives, one from each parent) being expressed---the cria may have blue eyes. I am not explaining it very well---others are better at this ---but suri phenotype is not related to blue eyes---it is only a type of fleece. Coat color "may" be related to eye color---we are still learning. Allison Allison E. Moss-Fritch New Moon Alpacas 350 Cloquallum Rd. Elma, WA 98541 aemoss17@comcast.net 360 861-8584 From: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jim gregoryk
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 5:00 AM
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Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Blue eyed alpaca Thanks for all of the information it helped alot. I have discovered a couple of facts that I find very interesting. It is very accurate that blue eyes can happen with any color. Alpaca Research confirmed that. Blue Eyed white coming from grey with white spots and white with white spots gene are very often deaf but their fiber is highly prize because of the angora rabbit quality it has. Homogeneous Suri will always have suri offspring, however not all suri are homogeneous some are heterogeneous which means they have a dominate suri gene and a nondominate huacaya gene so if bred to a huacaya it is 50/50 chance of either. A breeder I know was very suprised when I told her that my cria's mother was a heterogenous white/white spot suri and the father was a grey whitefaced. She had never heard of suri and huacaya crosses making a deaf blue eyed white. Thanks to very one here and breeder from all over I have learn a lot of new things about alpaca and genetics.
--- On Thu, 10/7/10, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Fly Strike
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 11:46 PM
I have had two blue eyed blacks born here, one blue eyed fawn. I know of a blue eyed silver grey. That so-called "expert" who claims only whites throw blue eyes is seriously ignoring the facts. Real live, walking, eating, pooping, facts. Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Tina Travis wrote: Had a medium fawn girl born last spring and she has blue eyes.I posted on site and got lot's of farms telling me about all sorts of colors that have blue eyes.On paca was even black.I had one Huacaya female unregistered,I bred her to all of my suri males just to see---always got Suri fleeced cria.I also have a white suri girl with blue eyes,she has gorgeous locks and tons of luster---she is not deaf!! Always,T 636-359-0250 / 636-459-8930 Alpacas are a rare treasure, one that I like to share!!!! I am very interested in the genetics of alpacas. I do agree that there is a higher incidence of BEW from breedings between white and grey alpacas. And there is a higher incidence of deaf animals also being BEW. But, a noted alpaca breeder with many letters after his name claims that only white alpacas have blue eyes. Other colors do not produce blue eyes. He also claims that white, in alpacas, is always dominant. Well, I have proof otherwise, on both counts. I also may have proof that suri fleece is always a dominant trait. but time will tell on that. Holistic Farm and Elite Fleece On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:06 PM, Jody Ehler wrote: Hi Jim
I had a blue eyed white boy born this summer and I am sure he is deaf. Sometimes I wonder because he is so robust and seems to be the first to quote "hear a truck coming down the road"! I think he feels the vibration of the ground and so is more alert than the non deaf!! He is very healthy, but I wont use him for breeding so I have a teacher who wants just a couple boys for pets and he has a good home where he will be watched after closely! I don't think all have to be deaf but is a high probability? It has something to do with the hairs forming in the inner ear I think? I know we have a few out there that are into the genetics on these critters who may chime in! I am anxious to hear what is known about this. Of course my white boy will probably have the best fleece too! Just watch closely and see if you can sneak up behind him and whistle or holler when he is not looking at you. You should be able to tell soon enough. Hope he isn't deaf, but it's not the end of the world! He will do just fine!
Take care!
Jody Ehler
Solon, IA 52333
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To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: jimg2312@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 01:38:03 +0000
Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Fly Strike
I just wanted to thank everyone for all the help with my new cria when I discovered he had a horrible fly strike. Everyone gave me wonderful advice. I lost a little sleep and the little cria had many many many exams but the fly spray worked and keep them from coming back.
Now who can tell be about blue eye white alpacas. I have read tons of material but here is my concern. He is PINK skinned. Will he sunburn? Do I need to do anything about that? His eyes don't seem to be overly sensitive to light but are they? Is deafness only possible or is it probable?
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