RE: [AlpacaTalk] Re: everything! :)

I didn't realize the survival rate was so rare. The first farm I visited was here in Bucks County Pa. and there were a set of twins that were recently born there. They did well and I saw them listed for sale the next year so I guess they did well. Flossie
Flossie and Joe Carmichael GentleGrangeAlpacasJamison,Pa. Home-215-918-0339 Cell-267-614-9620 http://www.alpacanation.com/gentlegrange.asp

To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.comFrom: libby@alpacafarm.comDate: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:40:15 -0500Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: everything! :)

Hi Heather,I would agree with Kathy. Most of the time twins are aborted and not carried to full term. Not many cases of twins making it all the way and surviving, but it does happen from time to time. I can't think of more than 4 sets of twins in our industry that have made it so it's quite rare that they make it. Most are lost in mid to late pregnancy. I'm not a vet but I don't see her problem as a progesterone problem either. These animals just are "built" to successfully carry twins. When a vet tells me he/she sees twins (which doesn't happen often), I'm not a "happy camper" because I know how it will most likely end. Sorry to hear about your loss.By the way, Happy New Years Everyone!LibbyLibby ForstnerMagical Farms, Inc.Litchfield Ohio(330)667-3233Kathy Klay <jeffersonlaurelfarm@yahoo.com> Sent by: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.com01/12/2009 07:39 AMPlease respond toAlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.comToAlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.comccSubjectRe: [AlpacaTalk] Re: everything! :)Heather, My first thought wouldn't point me at a progesterone problem with a girl that repeatedly aborts twins after successfully carrying singles....I'm pretty sure that aborting twins is more common than successfully birthing them. I am sorry for your loss though...I hope the dam is doing OK. Kathy Kathy & Earl Klay Jefferson Laurel Farm 8181 Havens Road Blacklick, Ohio 43004 (614) 855-9194--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com> wrote:From: Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@westwindalpacas.com>Subject: [AlpacaTalk] Re: everything! :)To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogroups.comDate: Monday, January 12, 2009, 1:45 AMHi everyone!Well I'm sorry I haven't replied much on the past few days. I'm really working hard on my fleeces! I finished some fawn I carded up a week or so ago and finally have 160 yards of 2 ply yarn, 5.7 oz., about 10-12 wpi. I really hope my speed improves!To answer about halter training, I don't know, I don't think there is one right way. I do think there are plenty of wrong ways, though. But mostly, I think going slow and gentle is the best. Definitely don't leave the halter on when you're not working with them. Yes, there will be thrashing and bucking when you start with the lead. Sometimes even when you start with the halter only. That's why I like to start as early as possible (if possible) so they are just used to it from the start. The older they are, the wilder they are, and the longer it'll take to get them trusting.Let's see. I think there was a question on greys. I don't remember what it was but anyway I am certainly not an expert. I only know what we've found in our own breeding program and what I've seen in others.But my big news tonight is that my TB girl who was bred to my DRG boy Scirocco and aborted twins, then bred back to Penumbra, aborted twins again today! Not exciting in the I'm really happy way, but exciting in that she was carrying twins again. I just hope next time she carries them to term! But I'll wait till spring to breed her now. And I'll have the vet check her out, and talk about progesterone supplementation. Looking at her history, she's only had singletons before and was kept open the year before I got her. She's only 9 or 10, not to old. If anyone has advice here, please speak!That's my news!HeatherHeather ZelenyWhite Lotus AlpacasCreswell, OR541.895.0964Holistic Farm and Elite Fleecehttp://www.whitelot usalpacas. comhttp://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ AlpacaTalk/ join[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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