Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Check off the kind of marketing YOU want! Now: Advertising discussion
Like many of the rest of the members, I prefer that the amount of marketing be restricted. While some information IS valuable to others, much of it is repeated endlessly on list after list after list. I get Ellie's posts on at least a dozen lists, and frankly once a week is enough! My objection to Ellie's posts is that the only reason Ellie belongs to any of these lists is to market her services/books, etc. I have no objection to occasional marketing posts by members who participate regularly in all aspects of the list: who ask questions, who offer suggestions or who post their experiences with different topics. However, I think people who only join the list so they can advertise their products or services are a disservice to the rest of us who are interested in the shared experiences and wisdom of other participating members.
In response to someone else's post about the AN Forum not allowing marketing of seminars, shows, etc., it's important to remember that AN has a separate place where those events can be listed for free. We want people to have important information about events and activities as well, but we put that information on a dedicated page, as well as breaking them down and listing them on the relevant regional pages.
JMHO.....
Judith Korff
LadySong Suris and Sebastapols
Harmonizing Quality, Value, and Service
Randolph, New York 14772
Cell: (716) 499-0383
www.alpacanation.
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From: Darlene Long <darlong@gmail.
To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 5:51:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Check off the kind of marketing YOU want! Now: Advertising discussion
Hi, Just wanting to chime in about advertising etc. I was quite surprised
when I first joined alpacasite and found out that upcoming seminars etc.
were not promoted. As a fairly new breeder I was looking for seminar info.
For awhile there it seemed like unless you were on the "inside" with big
breeders you had no idea of what was going on and what was good.
I think it is ultimately self defeating not to have a policy of limited
seminar promotions. Perhaps a weekly post with upcoming seminars,
locations, etc and a link for more info. Of course, then it is imposing on
our listmistress to coordinate this task (or whoever she delegates this to)
This is less like advertising and more like community service. Marty McGee
stuff, Fecal and U/S seminars, natal clinics and wet labs, all of this stuff
is vital to the breeder (and alpaca!). So while I don't need or want to read
about the great deals people have on their animals, fibre, breedings etc.
When someone calls me and asks where can I take a prenatal course or I'm
going to be in the US at a certain time and would love to take a course when
I am there, it would be great to have a resource that could help. (Right now
it is a matter of checking the various associations, ARI, AOBA, Suri
Network, Alpaca Canada, Alpaca Ontario and all of the State associations,
Alpacanation, Alpacastreet, etc...)
Just my thoughts on a cool Saturday morning...
Dar Long
Serenity Suris
Ontario, Canada
www.serenitysuris. com
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:58 AM, J Guerin <jgyelwa@ywave. com> wrote:
> Hi Heather,
>
> Just wanted to say I consider announcements for
> seminars and how-tos acceptable advertising. It is or could be, very
> helpful.
>
> Jim Guerin
> Jimmini Farm
> Yelm,WA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Heather Zeleny
> To: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com <AlpacaTalk% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [AlpacaTalk] Re: Check off the kind of marketing YOU want!
> Now: Advertising discussion
>
> You see, that's why I ask for input from members. So we have two
> members who have spoken up that they consider announcements for
> seminars and how-tos unacceptable advertising.
>
> That you may not be interested in attending a show in VA is beside the
> point. This group is comprised of members from around the planet. Not
> every topic will interest everyone. Say you do want to attend a
> pre-natal seminar, but you don't know where one is held. The ability to
> post a spread the word about events is crucial!
>
> I feel that there is a very clear difference between announcing a
> seminar, show, or marketing advice, and those that announce products or
> animals. If I'm selling something, I benefit from the income. The
> buyer, I suppose, benefits in receiving goods - socks, your
> hypothetical poop scooper, my hypothetical wonderful alpaca for sale or
> sire for hire, blankets, sweaters... But classes and shows are
> different in that ALL attendees have the same opportunity. Certainly,
> those who put on the show or seminar are profiting, but so are those
> who attend. They are completely different.
>
> I definitely do not want this to be a classified ad posting board. I
> want information to be shared, any information that can help our fellow
> alpaca breeders.
>
> I would really like to see more discussion on this, from more members.
>
> Heather
>
> On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Don Stanwyck wrote:
>
> > Heather:
> >
> > If I agree with your logic, then advertising my custom made
> > waste-free hay feeders, my special alpaca-specific pooper-scoopers,
> > etc., would all be acceptable because everyone could benefit from
> > them. Advertising transport services or other services that "anyone
> > could benefit from" would also be acceptable.
> >
> > My two-cents worth is that you need to either allow or disallow all
> > advertising. You might decide to allow "announcements" of
> > AOBA-affiliate sponsored shows or some such class, but in fact a show
> > in Virginia is really not something of interest to me in Washington.
> > Of course, at the end of the day, if's your list and your decision.
> >
> > Don Stanwyck
> >
> > Carnation, WA
> >
> > On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:58:46 -0800, Heather Zeleny wrote
> > > Yes, I personally feel that we can all benefit from learning how to
> > > sell our alpacas and products. I think we can all benefit from Marty
> > > McGee seminars learning to handle our alpacas. I think we can all
> > > benefit from pre and neonatal clinics and seminars...
> > >
> > > I realize that those who put on these seminars and have marketing
> > > guides to sell are profiting from them, but anyone who participates
> > > stands also to benefit from the knowledge they gain.
> > >
> > > I also feel advertising shows should be allowed, as anyone who
> > enters
> > > shows has an opportunity to benefit in the form of ribbons and
> > > exposure.
> > >
> > > If a majority of members disagree, please weigh in on it. This has
> > been
> > > my stance since I started this group 4 years ago, and I still feel
> > the
> > > same way about it.
> > >
> > > Now, ads for products for sale, animals for sale or herdsires for
> > hire,
> > > farm dispersals, auctions, are things I absolutely do not want to
> > see
> > > on this discussion group.
> > >
> > > In my mind there is a distinct difference.
> > >
> > > Heather
> > >
> > > On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:36 AM, suekodu wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogro ups.com <AlpacaTalk% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> Ellie Winslow
> > <winslowellie@ ...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > o 1. My ads actually get people to contact me
> > > > > o 2. Buyers really show up with money
> > > > > o 3. I have very happy customers
> > > > > o 4. I don't have to do "stock reduction" sales
> > > > > o 5. My farm makes money
> > > > > o 6. I can quit my other job
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes--the secrets of this kind of marketing will catapult you
> > into
> > > > success! I'm so sure you can be successful with this information,
> > > > that I'll guarantee it--in 30 days, if you don't think it works,
> > > > I'll buy it back!
> > > > > http://beyondthesid ewalk.com
> > > >
> > > > There seem to be several "can't sell your alpacas ? then buy my
> > > > marketing product! " posts appearing here !
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > > Maidstone Kent UK
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> > Don Stanwyck
> > Jo's Fleece Fields (www.fleecefields. com)
> > 10528 344th Ave NE
> > Carnation, WA 98014
> > +1-425-788-8239
> >
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> >
> >
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