[AlpacaTalk] Re: Let them eat cake.
Libby, according to the July 19, 2008 AOBA BOD minutes, rather
than "ask Jess Bowers of Ian Watt the reason", you should ask Jerry
Forstner or Steve Hull, or other members of the previous BOD. See
the minutes below or view them on the alpacaowners.
Meeting Minutes
Alpaca Owners and Breeders Association
Board of Directors Meeting
July 19, 2008
Present for the meeting were board members:
Amy McCroskie, President
Scott Young, Vice President
David Barboza, Secretary
Jerry Forstner, Treasurer
Kim DeVos, Director
Steve Hull, Director
Tim McCarty, Director
7. Conference Report
Steve made a motion to accept a guitar autographed by Pat Badger and
members of Extreme from the New England Alpaca Tours as a fund raiser
for Socks for Solders. This will be auctioned at the 2009 AOBA Gala
Event held at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, OH, seconded
by Scott. Question called, none opposed. Motion passed.
Steve made a motion to remove stall limits for the 2009 AOBA World
Conference, seconded by Tim. Question called, none opposed. Motion
passed.
Libby, when you find out why JERRY and the PREVIOUS Board voted
to "remove stall limits" for the 2009 National Conference, be sure to
post the answer for all of us.
Until then lets keep the facts straight neither Jess Bowers nor Ian
Watt were on the board that approved this change!
Vida Palmer
Kuska Paku Farm
Moss Point, Ms
--- In AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
>
> Hello Heather,
>
> Yes, it is expensive to show and time consuming as well but there
are
> great people and great animals to see at shows so that part is
fun. I'm
> genuinely sorry that you are so unhappy with things. I'm at a loss
as to
> what to say or do to help as when I try, I'm seen as condescending.
> So...let's see...you are bitter and I'm condescending.
we
> are!!! (smile) Perhaps they are right. Perhaps...well.
need to
> go out and just eat lots of chocolate!!! Better than eating
worms!
> (smile)
>
> ALSA (Alpaca and Llama Show Association for the new people in the
> audience) doesn't do any advertising for it's members and the last
I heard
> (might have changed), their judge's training doesn't compare with
AOBA's
> for alpacas. (For the new breeders: ALSA was the show system for
AOBA
> until problems arose and AOBA set up its own system in the early
2000's.
> ALSA is just a show system so they don't have to raise money for
anything
> else. Unfortunately for the llama industry, their national llama
> association went out of business and no one marketed llamas for its
> members so prices of llamas fell. They also didn't close their
Registry.
> There is a huge difference between ALSA and AOBA and what they do
for
> their respective memberships including alpaca Judge's training.)
Anyway,
> I truly believe that if llama breeders marketed their llamas the
way
> alpaca breeders do, we'd have some serious competition for buyer's
dollars
> as they too are lovely animals.
>
> Believe it or not, I honestly do not care how AOBA raises its
marketing
> dollars for the membership as long as they raise the dollars and
spend
> them on behalf of the membership. I don't care if big breeders
aren't
> allowed to donate. I just care that marketing dollars are raised
and
> spent on behalf of the membership. Hundreds of thousands of
dollars are
> not easy to raise which is why AOBA's marketing committee came up
with
> many different ways of doing it such as animal donations and some
of the
> fund-raising programs that you don't like. But, honestly, if the
new
> Board comes up with alternative ways to raise the marketing budget
dollars
> that involves money from small farms only, I'm totally cool with
that. No
> problem here...
>
> Yes, I read the e-mail that the national conference is now lifting
the
> stalling restriction and I admit that I'm surprised. I don't know
the
> reasons as Jerry is no longer on the Board but you might ask Jess
Bowers
> or Ian Watt the reason. I'm curious as well and might e-mail them
myself.
> As I recall, the reason it was limited in the past was to try to
allow
> more small breeders to participate. However, if the stalls
haven't been
> selling, they might have done it for financial reasons. I just
don't know
> and I better not guess. We usually take only 3 or 4 full fleeced
alpacas
> to the national show (have done this for years now) and a handful
for
> composite classes since they've had trouble filling composite
classes.
> I've always been surprised that composite classes didn't do better,
> especially for summer shows. I believe it is a wonderful, kind way
to
> show...showing an alpaca and its fleece separately. I think that
Bare
> Naked show concept is great. Sounds like great fun. Maybe those
are
> shows where composite classes could better thrive?
>
> Phew...sure am glad WE weren't the farm who brought animals to
Portland to
> sit in an air conditioned trailer to sell! I'd probably be hung up
by my
> toes! (smile!!) I also didn't think that practice was allowed at
any
> show, especially at AOBA where they seem to watch that pretty
carefully. I
> must have missed something that year. If I remember correctly,
that was
> the year the AOBA fleece show superintendent didn't show at the
last
> minute and they asked me at the last minute to be the show
superintendent
> and I was tied up very busy doing that so I was probably too busy
to see
> what happened in the parking lot.
>
> Heather, you and I have had some pretty entertaining disagreements
> (fights?) over the last year or so but you never tossed me off the
site
> and for that I admire you. I wish things could be better. I can
hardly
> wait until this economy turns around!
>
> Anyway, have a great night.
>
> Libby
>
> Libby Forstner
> Magical Farms, Inc.
> Litchfield Ohio
> (330)667-3233
>
>
>
> Heather Zeleny <alpacatalk@
> Sent by: AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
> 11/11/2008 06:12 PM
> Please respond to
> AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
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> To
> AlpacaTalk@yahoogro
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> Subject
> Re: [AlpacaTalk] Let them eat cake.
>
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>
>
> Hi Libby,
> I really didn't set out to say anything about any farm or someone's
> marketing program. I was talking about the high cost of showing our
> alpacas in AOBA certified shows. ALSA shows generally cost us a
> fraction of AOBA certified shows. I don't think there's a real,
valid
> reason for that.
>
> I think AOBA is giving its members less and less for their dues. I
just
> got a call from someone who was a $1500 benefactor a few years ago,
and
> said that even those benefits weren't worth it. She said she
received
> outdated databases, with some addresses that she knew were at least
two
> years out of date, even as shown in the membership directory.
>
> She mentioned that there is no limit to number of pens one may
purchase
> at Nationals. I didn't read that far. But that just further puts
the
> little guy at a disadvantage. Those of us who can't afford to buy
pens
> for nationals before the holiday season will be stalled out in the
> boonies, in the darkest least travelled corners of the facilities.
>
> She told me about a large farm who had rows of stalls at Nationals
when
> they were in Portland last time, who also brought an air-
conditioned
> semi-trailer full of alpacas for sale in addition to their animals
> inside in the stalls, brought potential buyers outside to look at
the
> animals. Wow, I thought it was prohibited to house one's alpacas in
> trailers in the parking lot.
>
> I'm very sorry that people find my words inflammatory and maybe
bitter.
> The things I'm speaking out against are real.
>
> Heather
>
>
>
>
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