Re: [Alpacasite] Re: Breeding Maidens (again)

Ok, so help me understand how culling and selling are the same,
because I don't think they are the same. I agree with Ian not every
owner is selling to "cull" the herd. Does the owner of a female that
sells for $130K at an auction need to identify the "reason for sale"?
I think he simply has a good animal and is wiling to sell it. Does
that same owner who buys half a stud male for $300K need to get an
explanation as to why the stud male owner sold half the animal? No
again I don't think so. And yes there is a person in our industry who
recently did those things. For this breeder culling his herd is not
the same as selling. If you go to a Jerry Forestner work shop he
will tell you that "they are all for sale. It just depends on the
price." The sale of animal, fiber and or product is why we are in
business. I don't think that needs to be disclosed at every sale.

Jim Cobia
Cobia Corner Alpacas
Hilton, NY 14468

At 01:48 PM 11/24/2005, you wrote:
>Wayne,
>I think people should be aware that culling is a word to describe an
>animal that is no longer wanted within a herd or breeding program.
>As the industry matures more and more animals will be culled for age
>(cfa in the sheep industries) but will still have a useful role as
>breeders in other breeding programs.
>Culling for genetic defects including poor fecundity, poor milking
>ability, etc should be reflected in both the price and the removal of
>breeding papers so these genes are not disributed throughout the
>national herd.
>Sadly, I suspect that some people have a real reluctance to go that
>far, nor do they declare the reason for the sale and thus allow these
>animals to keep reproducing to the detriment of both themselves (in
>the long run), the national gene pool and the unsuspecting buyer.
>I am not so sure though that breeders need to identify reasons for
>sale as a standard.
>Cheers,
>Ian Watt
>On Nov 24, 2005, at 12:09 AM, jubileeacres@online.ie wrote:
>
> > Hi Cathy:
> > What do you do with culled animals now?
> >
> > Keep in mind that culling is just removing the animal from the
> > breeding
> > herd. A culled animal may still be good for fiber.
> >
> > Also if your herd is of a high enough quality your culls may improve
> > some one else's beading herd. I would just love to get the culls
> > from a
> > few of the top breeders.
> >
> > When selling full disclosure is the important thing. I am
> > selling/culling this animal because ______ should be a statement made
> > in every sale.
> > --
> > Wayne
> > Southwestern Ontario,
> > Canada
> > http://jubileeacres.net
> > http://wordsmith.fateback.com
> >
> >
> > Quoting Cathy Stephenson <midnightfire@chestertel.com>:
> >
> >> Okay here goes the question again seeings how the door is open
> >> again. If we
> >> don't want this as a breed standard---what do you do with culled
> >> animals? I
> >> know what a dairy or beef herd does but I also realize that
> >> alpacas are
> >> vastly different. So what do you do. Pass an unexceptable
> >> breeder of on
> >> another unsuspecting newby to deal with? What a way to build a
> >> good name.
> >> Cathy
> >> StephenOakes Farms
> >> Chester, SC
> >
> >
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